Carl Stiegele info

[Axel E]

According to a "third rank" source, the "BÜLEX", Kessler transferred this DRGM to Stiegele. Kessler "Martinis" with the inside hammer lockwork and without stock throughbolt from the 1890s already show the breechblock going through the open receiver rear wall. But the DRGM 217361 heading speaks about applying this feature to the ORIGINAL MARTINI action. The "Stiegele Martinis", according to Tom Rowe's books, were of original Martini design, with coil spring striker locks and throughbolts. So Kessler may indeed have transferred this DRGM to Stiegele as part of a deal, Kessler making the Stiegele Martini actions exclusively for Stiegele, Munich.

[Axel E]

Änderungen in der Perlen des Inhabers Eingetragene Inhaber der folgenden Gebrauchsmufter find nunmehr die nachbenannten Verfonen:

72a - 217361 - Carl Stiegele, München, Maximilianstraße 33.

Raimey, here you have it: The caption "Änderungen in der Person des Inhabers. Inhaber der folgenden Gebrauchsmuster sind nunmehr die Nachbenannten Personen" translates: Changes of the persons of holders. Holders of the following DRGMs are now the persons mentioned at the end:
Thanks! this quote confirms: DRGM 217361 was indeed transferred from the original holder, Kessler, to Carl Stiegele.

[ellenbr]

Oh, I now see. Also one more correction: Karl Stiegele did pony up the extra 60 Marks for the 3 year extension, Verlängerung der Schußstift(??? - spelling). It is here(at this time) that there was a name change. So protection for F.W. Keßler in 1903 under Nr. 217361 then in 1906 name name change to Karl Stiegele for Nr. 217361 and payment of 60 Marks for a 3 year extension till 1909.

Die Verlängerungsgebühr von 60 M ift für die Schluß angege enen Tage gezahlt worden - Don't know if I have the correct spelling

So the question begs, why did Stiegele want it?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[ellenbr]

So is there a DRGM Nr. 217362 for 04.02.1904 issued to F.W. Keßler and then transferred to Karl Stiegele, who paid the 60 Marks for the 3 year extension, in the same manner as Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 217361?

Cheers

Raimey
rse

[sauerfan]

Oh, I now see. Also one more correction: Karl Stiegele did pony up the extra 60 Marks for the 3 year extension, Verlängerung der Schußstift(??? - spelling). It is here(at this time) that there was a name change. So protection for F.W. Keßler in 1903 under Nr. 217361 then in 1906 name name change to Karl Stiegele for Nr. 217361 and payment of 60 Marks for a 3 year extension till 1909.

Correct – DRGM No. 217361 was transferred from Kessler to Stiegel in 1906 and Stiegele paid the necessary renewal fees.

So is there a DRGM Nr. 217362 for 04.02.1904 issued to F.W. Keßler and then transferred to Karl Stiegele, who paid the 60 Marks for the 3 year extension, in the same manner as Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 217361?

Actually, I don’t know where you have the info from regarding the ‘62 DRGM. I don’t know, if said DRGM was registered for Kessler. I doubt it, to be honest.

Regards

Martin

[Axel E]

As DRGM 217362 is not mentioned in the Waffenzeitung, that listed ALL gun related German patents and Gebrauchsmuster, DRGM 217361 is followed immediately by DRGM 217493 in the publication, the 132 DRGMs in between were certainly not gun related in any way. So it is highly unlikely that Kessler, Stiegele or any other gunmaker had ever applied for it. Of course there was a DRGM 217362 too, but it was not on any gun, ammo or hunting equipment.
"Verlängerung der Schutzfrist" = extension of the protection period
"So the question begs, why did Stiegele want it?" Because Stiegele wanted to have a proprietary Martini type action "of his own", just enough different from those offered by his competitors to allow for advertising.
BTW, when researching German guns and gunmaking , it is certainly no disadvantage having a working knowledge of the German language and being able to decipher the old "Fraktur" font correctly.

[ellenbr]

Well you know Axel, if you perform some heavy duty internet searching or hard-core internet research correctly, you really need to know Assembly language. So I'll tell you what. I'll master German & Fraktur and sit your exam at the site of your choice and in turn you master Assembly language & sit my exam at the site of your choice. Quid pro quo ole boy. While I'm at it, let me shell the corn off the cob as I see it. I don't know if you are aware or not, but if it were not for the efforts of the collectors and researchers in the U.S. of A., Austrian & German sporting weapons would not have the exposure nor the stature they enjoy. Instead they'd be among the ranks of the French, Italian & Spanish, and I'm not knocking them. Have you any more snide comments?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[Axel E]

As I don't do any " heavy duty internet searching or hard-core internet research correctly", I have no use for Assembly language. As I am interested in German and British guns and gunmaking, I need German and English most. BTW, how is your Latin, French and Italian? Mine seems to be at least on par with your German.

[germanguns1234]

Messieurs, Se il vous plaît être amiable!

[ellenbr]

Enchanté Schoolmaster Friar Fred, comment allez-vous. Lovely to see Schoolmaster Friar Fred on our little playground and how do you go? I would not suspect that a Colorado sod-buster like yourself would have command of the language of the French? I have my reservations. Are you too a peace-pipe smoker like Brother Axel? I've always heard that if you toke on one with any of the coca, hemp or hashish derivatives, it would make you 1/2 bubble off plumb?

Where are my manners? Although I suspect a few that lurke about are deficient in them. As a lad, in addition to Latin, I was taught manners so:

Frohe Weihnachten und ein gutes Neues Jahr! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year

Now the topic at hand can be resumed.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[ellenbr]

Ah, forgot to note that exposure to Latin lead to an appreciation for the Romance Languages. My linguist language teacher had command of some 7 languages, sometimes spoken in the same sentence. I've had full immersion in the Romance Languages less say Romanian. Friar Fred where are you?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse