Martini Action "Animation" Requested

[Old No7]

I'm wondering if anyone on the forum has this info...

Does anyone have a link to "online animation" of a Martini action being cycled?

Got it! See my last posting below!

I've studied many images of a Martini in the cocked, fired and open positions, but what I'd really like to see is some animation of how the parts all interact.

Here she is, for those who didn't see it in the other posting...



Old No7

[Old No7]

Me again...

I did find a cutaway of a British Martini...

Since it might help others understand the basic operation of the action, here it is:



My main takeaway from this image, and from some others I've viewed, is there is a spatial and dimensional relationship between 3 different areas of the toggle/striker, as well as the location of the hole. But I'll have a gunsmith make up a steel part to replace the proof part I made.

Old No7

[mike ford]

Old No7,
While I have several different Martinis, of different types, none are like yours, and they function differently, in detail. I think you need to find someone that has one precisely like yours, to check. As you can see from your other thread, such a rifle may be marked differently than yours( such as "Stiegel). It may help you to disassemble the rifle and then assemble the parts on the outside the action using the actual "pins" in the holes outside the action. Then, you should be able to "work" the lever and observe how the parts work with each other. It may be helpful to make a cardboard or plastic "toggle" like the copy you have. Of course, if you can find a rifle like yours, you could take dimensions from the "toggle" in it, maybe you could find someone that would "3D print" one for you (not to use, but to copy. Check latest videos from You Tube, Mr. Pete 222). Good luck
Mike
It looks like we were writing at the same time. Note the difference in location and relationship of the lever and triggers between your rifle and the English one. This is what I meant they function differently in detail.
Mike

[Diz]

Old No. 7,

I have an English Martini and here is a picture of the assembly but without the lever.

M-H trigger - bolt assembly.jpg

The cutout of the bolt and the cam part of the lever are missing from your photo but I think you can get an idea of how it should work. There are two cams on the lever that engage the bolt, one on each side. With the lever up the cam of the lever fits into the forward part of the slot on the side of the bolt and the height is just such as to position the bolt square with the barrel and the striker centered. On throwing the lever forward the cam moves back against the rear part of the cut out and cams the bolt downward. The clearance at the side allows the bolt to drop down clear of the cams. The sear engages the lever and is rotated backward cocking the striker spring. When the lever is returned the sear engages the trigger and hold the striker in the cocked position. The critical aspects are the height of the cams and their thickness and relative position. However, if you have the bolt cammed up to the correct height with the lever against the stock than you should be OK for that and you would just have to fiddle with the opening part of the cam. I just got finished putting this gun together after an eight month conversion so I would rather not take it apart again but will do it if it would help to have more photos. Mike's suggestion of assembling it outside the action is a good one to try.

Thanks, Diz