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  • #31
    You are right Mike that bullets seated well back from the rifling will often not perform as well as those seated closer. But I've done a lot of study and chambered a lot of rifles, and feel it's more than that. The faster twists definitely favor longer bullets. For instance, in all the 7mm rifles, (7x57, 7-08, 280) exc the 7 mag (which I never liked), I preferred the Shilen 1/11 twist barrels. using the same reamer (throat etc) they consistently shot better with bullets under 160 gr. and about as good with the 160's. The fast 1:9 twist did a little better with the 175's. Some of the 6.5X57's have twists that I've measured around 1:8. And yes they all have the long throat to accomodate those long heavy round nose bullets. Some of them do shoot very well though, especially when you slow it down a notch. After all stability is a facor of RPM's, not velocity . I've had some sub MOA 6.5's and recommended them to my customers over the years. A favorite wildcat was the old 6.5 "souper" or 6.5/308 in a 1:10 twist bbl. There was a pretty good calculator we used years ago, but can't seem to find my copy or even recall who the author or engineer was who designed it, but it proved to be reliable. Some of the manufacturers should have paid attm to it. I recally the 32 Win spl, was borderline and the accuracy usually showed it.
    Greg
    http://classicsportingguns.com/

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    • #32
      Greg,
      See- I told you a lot of people disagree with me.
      Mike

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      • #33
        Originally posted by mike ford View Post
        Greg,
        See- I told you a lot of people disagree with me.
        Mike
        Hmm. I thought I was mostly agreeing, but with some added info
        Greg
        http://classicsportingguns.com/

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        • #34
          Greg, oh, first off you have a PM, and secondly, is it the Greenhill formula you're trying to remember, or something else?

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          • #35
            Greg,
            I always appreciate added info, as a matter of fact, I think some of your gunsmithing experiences would be interesting also. When I first started writing for GGCA, I was instructed not to write about gunsmithing issues or list any specific handloading data( loading data got edited out), so I can't be specific. This forum is different, though.
            Mike

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            • #36
              Thanks Vic. Tried to respond but they said your box is full
              And yes the greenhill formula. Havent looked at it in a couple decades.
              Thsnks again, Greg
              Greg
              http://classicsportingguns.com/

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              • #37
                Mike I can see you contribute s great deal to the organization. Gunsmithing is a subject that is important to any old gun enthusiast as we usually can't just go online and order a new part. Many of these wonderful German guns were built by hand one at a time. I posted an article on my site about making your own c!aw mount rings . And when I get time will get one out on repairing stock cracks that are so prevalent on these gun .
                Greg
                http://classicsportingguns.com/

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                • #38
                  In follow up, It might be a good forum to add. Something like "care, repair & restoration". There are a lot of guns being "restored" that shouldn't be. Some being butchered and lost forever to the world that appreciates them. Some are languishing is closets, that with a little tweaking, could be out in the field, doing what that skint knuckled gunmaker who built them intended them to do. Most of the questions I get on my site are about repairs, restoring, who can do the work etc. I no longer take outside work, but have found some good people over the years who I send people to and even send some of my own stuff for things I could do myself. because I'm too busy or lazy.. Just a thought, but I'd bet there is interest here ...
                  Greg
                  http://classicsportingguns.com/

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                  • #39
                    Greg,
                    I saw that article, interesting.
                    Mike

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                    • #40
                      Yep, I was thinking of the 6,5x57 as a 257 Roberts with a little more "push through bone" ability.

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                      • #41
                        Some times you get lucky or theory is just that. I spoke of my 6.5x58R Sauer and it's been a while but I finished all the repair work and the described dark bore was ALOT of fowling and it cleaned up pretty good. The bore slugged at .260 and it is shooting .257 75gr V-Max just under 2" at 200 yards and 90gr .264's sized to .260 even better. I bought some Bertram Brass but resized 9.3x72R fits better. The barrel has a 1-8 twist





                        L to R .243, 6.5x58R Sauer, 9.3x72R

                        Last edited by oskar; 03-11-2015, 05:11 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Oskar,
                          I'm happy you are having good luck(very good luck,actually), with your drilling. I couldn't get the photos to come up. I always have trouble with that photobucked thing.
                          Mike

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                          • #43
                            That's pretty good in any book! Congrats!

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                            • #44
                              Wow, that IS a large-bodied deer. Is that in Washington State?

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                              • #45
                                N9NWO,

                                I find it very interesting that Indiana only allows certain pistol cartridges in rifles for hunting but allows rifle cartridges in pistols. What is the main purpose for that? and do they allow shotguns with slugs?

                                I built an XP-100 in 6.5x55 years ago and also a 7-08 and currently converting an XP in 308 to 6.5x55. Great thread.

                                Thanks, Diz

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