Mannlicher Identification

[Travis]

Axel, how far are you from Springfield Missouri?

[mike ford]

Nathaniel'
You would be surprised how quickly you could have a 1909 in your hands. I happen to have four of the Paraguayan military contract(one of which is fully operational). They are marked with both Haenel and mod 1909. The floorplate release and stock are ,of course, a little different, since they were military. If you have seen many of the South or Central American rifles, you can imagine that these are not pristine examples, as are Axel's. You can email or PM me.
Mike

[mike ford]

Nathaniel'
You would be surprised how quickly you could have a 1909 in your hands. I happen to have four of the Paraguayan military contract(one of which is fully operational). They are marked with both Haenel and mod 1909. The floorplate release and stock are ,of course, a little different, since they were military. If you have seen many of the South or Central American rifles, you can imagine that these are not pristine examples, as are Axel's. You can email or PM me. This thing won't let me delete the duplicate post today.
Mike

[Axel E]

Travis, I live in central Germany, near Kassel. Please figure out yourself, how far that is from Springfield, Missouri.
"Rare" is not the same as "Valuable". "Rare" is a function of original market success, production numbers and survival rate. "Market value",on the other hand, is a function of supply and demand. F.i., everybody knows Colt revolvers and Winchester rifles. Albeit they were made by the xillion, everyone wants to own at least one. So demand exceeds supply. Other guns, like the Haenel rifles or the Schmidt & Habermann Mod.21, were made for a short time and in small numbers only. As nobody has even heard about their existence, demand is even lower than the limited supply. Let alone engraved, custom examples like your Neuber / Haenel. Such rarities may even be superior in design and execution to the popular, mass produced favorite collector's guns, but it does not help their "value" much. As a German gun auctioner once said: "Any gun is worth as much as the next man, who cannot live without it, is willing and able to pay."

[Axel E]

Another Haenel Mod.1900 in 10.75x68, proofed 1912 - 15, was discussed at length on this firum here:
http://www.germanguns.com/upload/sho...ghlight=Haenel

[Travis]

Sorry Axel, I meant to direct that question to Nathaniel. I've been turkey hunting with the boys this weekend so participating in this discussion has been a little tedious with a phone. It seems Nathaniel is located in Missouri and since I occasionally travel to Springfield I thought perhaps, if possible, I may come visit his place of business. I only reluctantly asked the value of the gun in terms of collecting relative to most Mannlicher–Schönauer's. I suspected there was something unusual about the gun when I found it, but just could not put my finger on it. I kinda purchased it on a whim because I liked it so much, but have since been unable to determine exactly what it was until I found you and Mr. Ford. You two have turned out to be a wealth of information and I appreciate it. You are correct that the value is a function of supply and demand which explains the relatively low cost of Mannlicher–Schönauer's. I suppose this is indicative of a small niche of collectors. I have been somewhat surprised at what appears to be a very collectable and fine gun at a reasonable value and couldn't be more pleased with my newest acquisition. I will post a follow up once I have the gun cast and take it apart for further inspection. Thank you.

[Travis]

One more thing, I would really like to install a correct stock recoil or but pad if someone has a lead on where to obtain one. Thanks

[Dan Patch]

The ability to fire the rifle without the bolt head being in place was a shortcoming not only of the original 1888 design, but also the followup Mannlicher designs of 1892-95. With the 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer, however, the bolt design was changed to make it impossible to release the firing pin without the bolt head being in place. Whether the 1900 design was like the earlier Mannlichers on this point or like the 1903 I don't know. Dan

[algmule]

Travis:
What an exceptionally lovely rifle you have there.

I have an ad and some "snippets" of information on Franz Neuber, Wiener Neustadt, that is earlier than 1901 if it is of interest to you, or anybody else for that matter. I also have ads from after 1901 and some other things with information on the Neuber establishment. If you want me to post it let me know and I will attempt to do so. I may need help with some of it.

I know very little of Franz Neuber. I know he had a house for sale in 1910. He was also "sachverständig" (spelling) at a trial in 1927. He also participated in shooting contests.

Below is an early ad.
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Kind regards
Peter

[Travis]

I appreciate any info that someone is willing to share. Knowing a guns history and maker personally increases the appreciation for such a fine gun.These old guns have surely had quite a journey during the last 100 years.

[algmule]

Travis:
Here is some more on Franz Neuber. Unless there was another Franz Neuber in Wiener Neustadt I´m just going to boldly assume that the man in one of the images below is the one that retailed your rifle.

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Also. Sorry for the split infinitive!

Kind regards
Peter

[Nathaniel Myers]

Travis, my apologies for the confusion but I am in Ohio. You would need to ship the rifle to me.

There are many sources for the replacement recoils pad. Brownells, Midway USA and NECG immediately spring to mind. I would actually suggest to work from the other direction. Find out who you are going to have do the work first, then ask what they prefer. I have had some recoil pads over the years that customers have brought me that were dreadful to install. I dare say many gunmakers have their own preferences.

[algmule]

.... and here are more images

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Kind regards
Peter