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    A German target gun that has an unusual (to me) item on the end of the barrel. I first thought it was a Bayonet lug, but it's not a military rifle. Has double set triggers, about 40 cal, Percussion, rifled bore. Only mark is "CH" on bottom of barrel, & the number 307 in the barrel channel of the stock. Any help would be appreciated, other pics available, Jim.
    Added today 4/15:
    I read the article in the Waidmannsheil, by Jon Spencer on the Vollmer Feldstutzer. Now my question is, who made my rifle? I believe it is an original Swiss made gun, because of the "CH" on the bottom of the barrel. Any help is appreciated, Jim.


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    Last edited by jamned; 04-15-2015, 04:08 PM.

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    jamned, it IS a bayonet lug and it IS a military rifle. It's the Swiss Eidgenössischer (= federal) Stutzer (Swiss spelling!) 1851, see:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidgen%...r_Stutzer_1851
    http://www.vsv-schuetzen.ch/default.aspx?navid=44
    This rifle was used by the swiss sharpshooters or Jaegers. "Jaeger" is not merely "Hunter", but the German name for light infantry too, the same type of troops called "Rifles" by the British and "Rangers" by Americans. The Stutzer 1851 was the first military rifle to use long lead bullets of less than .50". "CH" stands for "Confederatio Helvetica", the official Latin name of multilingual (German, French, Italian, Romansh)Switzerland.

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    • #3
      Now that is COOL!! Thanks for the education. This gun is in really excellent condition, including the bore. Now I need a bayonet. Any out there? And the rear receiver sight, any idea what it looked like?

      Also would like to know the value, Jim.
      Last edited by jamned; 01-07-2015, 06:39 PM.

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      • #4
        Jamned,

        Try this website, they specialize in antique firearms and equipment. You would be amazed at what shows up.

        https://www.joesalter.com/

        Frank

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        • #5
          The Eidgenössische Stutzer M1851 was issued without a peep sight. Many were fitted with such sights later by their owners. So the peep sights were not standardised. You may see a peep sight equipped M51 here, scroll down:
          http://www.schiferli.net/The%20Swiss...tzer%20M51.htm
          Replicas of such contemporary peep sights are available over here. The "Mortimer" offered by Jacobi, Iserlohn, looks resonably similar and may be adapted to the base on your rifle:
          http://www.vorderlader.com/z-diopter.htm
          I doubt you will ever find an original bayonet. Apparently it was a simple, quite useless spike with a special tang, fitting into the socket. Most were likely discarded or converted to other uses during the past 1.5 centuries.

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          • #6
            Vollmer Feldstutzer.

            Trying to ID maker of my gun. Question posted in original post, thanks, Jim

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jamned View Post
              Trying to ID maker of my gun.
              Impossible to positively identify the maker with the little info you gave. The CH sais it was originally accepted for military issue. The Swiss soldiers always kept their issued rifles at home. When their duties ended because of old age, their equipment became their own, privately owned. Have you taken the barrel out of the stock and looked for any marks underneath? AFAIK many of these Feldstutzer M1851 were made by the Liege, Belgium guntrade. If this is it, there should be Belgian proofmarks and, maybe, the mark of a maker below. Other such rifles were made by individual Swiss gunsmithes. If there is no mark or name underneat the barrel or inside the lockplate, no chance finding out the maker.

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