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The "HS" mark appears on a consortium made rifle from 1934 in Zella-Mehlis. All of the participants in this group are yet to be identified. Hermann Weihrauch definitely was one (if not the only) assembler for this model.
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I am certain I have seen this before and have no doubt it was a trademark, but for whom? -
Could this possibly be a Schilling represented by the trademark?Comment
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First I would say it is that of Hans Schmeisser of Suhl who worked for Hänel. But those are Z-M Nitro stamps so was there anther member in Z-M or did Schmeisser have a relationship with the Z-M proofhouse?
http://www.memoria-vestri.net/1953/09/hugo-schmeisser/
Cheers,
Raimey
rseLast edited by ellenbr; 12-15-2014, 08:02 PM.Comment
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Not a true comparison but V. Halska & Cie of Liege had a similar monogram:
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...20cie%20gb.htm
I do wonder what, if any, monogram Hermann Schlegelmilch of Zella-Mehlis might have had.
Cheers,
Raimey
rseComment
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Steve:
This was probably the thread with the monogram of which you were thinking:
http://www.germanguns.com/upload/sho...ghlight=halske
Cheers,
Raimey
rseComment
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The Halske trademark may well be what I recall, as it is certainly close in appearance. Someone had suggested a link to Schmeisser, probably because of that grip mark. Neither would seem likely as a candidate for this rifle's mark. All of the Z-M consortium members are not known. Hermann Weihrauch definitely assembled many---if not all---of the Greenheart DSMs. Wilhelm Foss of Venus Waffenwerke was possibly the consortium director there (may have made bands, buttplates, and muzzle covers?), and the firms of Paatz, Bolte und Anschutz, and the Franz Schmidt of Zella-Mehlis (NOT the one of Suhl) produced a few of these under the consortium's license, although they likely contributed no parts for other members' use. It is also unclear if there was much or any inter-action with Suhl firms on these rifles, but one cannot rule it out. I may have seen some Haenel stocks on a Greenheart gun or two---will have to check notes on that. Appreciate the food for thought!
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Just noted your mention of Schlegelmilch! There might be a contender. Will do some more research on trademarks through DEPATIS.net and also look for history on Hermann Schegelmilch. Thanks for the possible lead!
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Since you give a nod to tube sculptor Hermann Schlegelmilch, I too will dig a bit. Can you divulge the Hermann Weihrauch connection or trademark?
Cheers,
Raimey
rseComment
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So sorry to have dropped the ball here---I let this thread get away from me somehow.
Weihrauch was known to be the assembly point for the DSM rifles made by the Waffengenossenschaft Thüringen e.G.m.b.H. in Zella-Mehlis with the receiver mark known as "Greenheart" by collectors (pine tree in a shield with the "Grünes Herz" logo). Barrel suppliers for these guns are various and inconsistent. Numerous craftsmen or firms may have participated on "just a few" barrels, while others provided their work on a steady and continuous basis. Weihrauch not only seems to have assembled all of the "Greenheart" DSMs, but continued producing some with their own rollmark on the receiver up through 1938.
SteveComment
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The one Siemens & Halske image is VERY close, minus the cross-piece of the H intersecting the S. Still, it's not quite a match, and geography would seem to make that firm unlikely. More detective work needed here, methinks.
SteveComment
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Was the pine tree in a shield similar to the Z-M proofhouse mark or else? Any idea on heart(?) the below?
Cheers,
Raimey
rseComment
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"Very similar" is not "the same"!
Here are the trademarks of the Siemens & Halske company, sometimes found under the receiver ring of WW1 "star" Gew98 rifles only:
This is a Haenel – Schmeisser trademark. C.G.Haenel, Suhl, had registered and protected this May 29, 1926, # 352893:
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That is not the trademark we were referring to, Axel, but the one we were discussing had already been dismissed, anyway.
Raimey, the pine tree was superimposed over this rollmark in much of the printed matter from the consortium. A similar image was even used by Walther on the cover of their prospectus for the DSMs which they produced. The Zella-Mehlis people seemed to be especially prone to using the "Green Heart of Germany" term, which often refers to all of Thüringen.
Steve
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Another possibility ? occurred to me. I wonder if this could signify Herbert Schmidt? A very few of these trainers have been observed with receiver marking of his brother Franz (again, NOT the Franz Schmidt of Suhl, before someone jumps on me), indicating they likely were associated with the Z-M consortium for the DSMs. I understand that they did considerable contract barrel work for Sweden just around this time also, and immediately after this barrel was made they contributed work to the K98k consortium.
Steve
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