I need help determining mfg date - C.G.HAENEL 10.75x68

[ellenbr]

Not subject sporting weapons but an 88 I believe-

The preponderance of evidence for the S tilts the scale in favour of Schlegelmilch. Helmut Schlegelmilch was an apprentice there in the mid 1920s so I would guess his father worked there. Also along the Schlegelmich lines would be Gebhard Helmuthhauser /Gebhard Helmuthäuser being represented by a Star over H(those little ones might be crowns??). Now Ford I believe you knew Helmut Schlegelmilch so cough up the info that you asked him if his father applied an single S to a Haenel sporting weapon & he confirmed it.

It is also possible that the script EB notes effort by Ernst Zacharias Baestlein or may be represented by the single B. I'm highly confident that the letter B correlates to Baestlein. Only fly in the syrup here is that the initials would be EZB so did EZB use EB instead of ZB??

I'll work on the Iron Cross but don't get you hopes up for a time.


Cheers,

Raimey
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[buckstix]

But per the Axel - Ford rule on anti-multiple site propagation it's fine & dandy when the authors breech the protocol but when a non-principal attempts, well it is flak from all sides. Although I will agree it is a good idea to propagate on NE's site.

Hello ellenbr, mike ford, Axel E,

Thanks for all your help. But, I'm not sure - did I miss something? Is it against "protocol" to ask the same question on mulitiple forums?

[mike ford]

Raimey,
No, I didn't know Helmut Schlegelmilch, I knew Alfred. Fred was not very much older than I, but I don't know who his father was. The Helmut I knew was Helmut Kerner, son of Ernst, and grandson of Emil(also of ? Meffert). It might be better for ya'll to post these on Nitro Express, since I'm not a member and couldn't get into the fray.
Buckstix
There is no protocol to this, Axel just said once that it is confusing to address these questions on several boards.The initial question may be the same on all of them, but each one takes it's own tangent after the first comment in each. I agreed with this, so it somehow became the Axel-Ford rule. I have no authority to make any rules, for anything.
Mike

[ellenbr]

Discussing one gun on two different Forums (doublegunshop and GGCA)and three different threads at the same time simply leads to confusion!

- from Doublegunshop German - Austrian section - Axel on propagating same thread on multiple sites.

Axle & Ford consider it to be a faux pas to propagate same thread on multiple sites & there's another thread dealing with an Einzelladerbüchse somewhere around here. Nothing more than that.

Cheers.

Raimey
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[ellenbr]

Just found my old notes: My 10.75x63 barrel, signed by Joh.Kalezki's Widow and Vienna proofed 1906, has a leade or freebore from case mouth to the visible start of the lands of about 15 mm.

Axel:
Just wanted to verify that there's about 9/16" separation between the case mouth to the rifling?

Cheers,

Raimey
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[buckstix]

Axle & Ford consider it to be a faux pas to propagate same thread on multiple sites ........

Hello ellenbr,

Well, live and learn. I thought that my rifle would be of interest to forum readers on Gunboards; under the Mannlicher heading (because of its similarities) - and also on the GGCA site; under the Proof Marks heading (because of its German interests) - and also on the NitroExpress site; under Mauser and Big Bore heading (because of its DG interests)

Interestingly, there were 333 and 391 views on the other two sites, and 1433 views on this site. I assumed that not all forum members would subscribe to all three sites, since there were different heading interests.

I now realize that my best and most useful information has come from this site, and from the same person(s) on the other sites.

Having said that, I think I'll keep my "questions" limited to one site, and only post my - "hey look what I have" - on more than one site.

[sharps4590]

buck, I did the same thing not long ago, posting the same or similar question on two sites, and I knew most guys frequented both sites. It wasn't bad, just.....inconvenient(?) for those who helped by answering the question and for me to forward the information I received. I won't do it again either, at least on this board and the other which was doubleguns.

[ellenbr]

Fellas:
As I understand it, I don't think the Axel - Ford anti-propagation of the same thread on multiple websites rule has anything to do with the original poster as he/she has no a priori knowledge of the rule. The infraction occurs when a member of said multiple sites knowingly propagates the thread on multiple sites. But when it all goes awry, NE has about the best protocol for preserving the images & information on the WWW.

Cheers,

Raimey
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[mike ford]

Since there is no "rule", there can be no "infraction". I guess,around here, we can't have our own opinion without having some label pinned on us.
Mike

[ellenbr]

I agree with Axel, that working the same question through two or three forums is hard, but it usually works out.

Here's your own text Ford. You can have your own opinions but regarding the Axel - Ford rule you & Axel are like a team of mules pulling the anti - multiple thread propagation wagon. If this is not your wagon then I'd phrase the comments from the peanut gallery a bit more carefully.

Cheers,

Raimey
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[mike ford]

Raimey,
I suggest you read the "comments from the peanut gallery" again. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them. Axel and I often differ, the difference is I don't take it as a personal affront. After all, the reason for the GGCA and this forum is to share information.
Mike