Please help with identifying where my Grandfathers Gun was made...

[MGA59]

Hi there.

I can't make out the name of the manufacturer for this rife. I would also like to know where it was made and how old it is. Anything else you could tell me about it. I will post a follow up with additional pictures.

Thank you

[MGA59]

Please help with identifying where my Grandfathers Gun was made... continued

This is part 2 of the pictures

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Please help with identifying where my Grandfathers Gun was made... Final

Hopefully I've supplied enough pictures to identify this rifle.

What type of scope would have been mounted on this rifle?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

[ellenbr]

I'd like to see an image of the action and water table but it is August Schüler's design Modell 42 Herkules Bockbüchsflinte in 16 bore over 88/8 and looks like it was altered in some manner and then it experienced reproof, or at least the Boehler Antinit tube, being an upgrade from the Krupp. Interesting that it has the Baildon Stahl tube atop. It experienced proof in Suhl between 1912 & 1923. Head of the stock may have been pinned at some point

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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[ellenbr]

I've seen the script DH prior on the Boehler Antinit on the August Schueler Nr. 22415. I'm curious if LK is next to it?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

[ellenbr]

A closer look at the encircled might yield a datecode, maybe not. Difficult to tell from this vantage point.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

[kcordell]

Neat looking gun! Scope could have been in a variety of favors, Zeiss, Hensoldt, Voitlander."etc and would have had claw mounts (at least appears so from the pic) which are/were custom to each gun.

[MGA59]

Hi Raimey,

I'll try to get a picture of the action this weekend. Not sure what a water table is. Sorry for my ignorance. Where is/was Suhl? Prussia? Head of stock may have been pinned... Can you elaborate?

Thank you so much.

MGA59

[mike ford]

I don't think Suhl dated them until later. I couldn't see a "repair" proof (crown R),but as Raimey said,it seems to have been proofed twice for some reason(maybe a voluntary proof, for some reason).It was proofed for 16ga 65mm (2 1/2-2 9/16") shells, rather than todays standard 70mm(2 3/4"), and the barrel was choked(likely tightly). It's likely to be chambered for 8x57IR, but with 13gram St.MG(stahl mantle geschoss-steel jacketed bullet), it could be 8x57R/360. If the duty bullet was 14+ grams, the 8x57R/360 wouldn't be an option. If the rim recess is clearly too large for a 30-30 rim, it is 8x57IR(both these cartridges used .318" bullets).
Mike

[Jim Cate]

Suhl Proofhouse dating officially started in September, 1923. However, there are Suhl made guns that are dated earlier for whatever unknown reasons. More photos are needed of the open chambers. I'm betting it is 8x57JR because of it being proofed with a steel-jacketed bullet. Anxious to know, JIM