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I am in need of a take down illustration or photos for the Greener style side safety on my drilling. I wish to disassemble the action for cleaning. Any information appreciated.
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What’s the action type of your hammerless drilling? Is it a sidelock, a true boxlock or the most common Blitz- = triggerplate locks type. A photo would be helpful. I assume your’s is a common triggerplate action.
Both on the Blitz- and on the true boxlock action you may disregard the Greener safety for disassembly. It comes out last and goes in first. Start with all locks cocked. After removing the triggerguard, remove the screws that connect triggerplate and lower tang to action body and upper tang. Wiggle off the action body first, before trying to remove the triggerplate and locks. Now the Greener safety may be removed from the stock. Turn out the two small screws holding the cover plate of the safety lever. Push out the safety stem right to left. Reassemble in reverse order. Take care to slip the cocking levers in the action body under the cocked hammers. -
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Congratulations! This is a rare, true boxlock drilling with E.Kerner’s top-hung sears. Soch boxloxk or “Anson” drillings were difficult, read expensive to make. As three locks had to be accommodated in a symmetrical action without making the action bar unsightly wide and heavy, the barrel underlumps are slightly offset to the left. This provided space for two locks right and one left. This is visible in your photo of the breechface. Compare the position of the action bar recesses and rifle barrel firing pin.
Nevertheless, disassembly is the same as with a Blitzlock action. Just reassembly is a bit easier. You don’t have to thread the cocking levers in under the hammers. On the Greener safety screws: One is a wood screw that holds the mechanism in the stock. The other is a machine screw, holding the components together, base + detent spring, lever + spindle and cover plate.Comment
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Axel E. Thank you for your reply. As I have other early German SxS, namely Sauer and Loesche (Sauer), This is my only three barrel, so I am unfamiliar with the internal parts. The firearm is overall in good condition, however I doubt the internals have been cleaned and lubricated in decades. I shall proceed with caution, and the correct screw bits.Comment
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This drilling was last proofed by the Suhl proofhouse 1233 = December 1933 for use of the 8x57 IR and 12-2 ?” cartridges. The barrels show the crown/R = repair proof too. I suppose the drilling got a new set of barrels in 1933 to replace the original one with an outdated rifle chambering and/or a rusted out rifle barrel.Comment
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The shotgun chambers by my measurement are 70mm although there are no marks indicating this length. (Edit: Careful measure shows the chambers to be 65mm) Also the rifle barrel carries this mark:
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The rifle barrel hammer is set by use of this thumb slide. Also flips up the rifle sight blade on the rib. This appears to be somewhat unique. Does the help identify the maker?
Last edited by Cthraen; 12-20-2022, 03:56 AM.Comment
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Common features of most, about 90%, hammerless drillings. A photo of the internal lock design may or may not give hints to the maker. But due to the top mounted sears, it was likely made by Ernst Kerner.Comment
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Relating to Axel's comment, the drillings frame looks suspiciously like a Meffert, and the engraving is mindful of Meffert's engravers as well. As a son-in-law, Ernst Kerner had easy access to Meffert parts and would have known their engravers, as well. When pushing the thumb slide forward, does it obviously work against significant spring pressure? If so, it would include separate cocking for the rifle, which was less common than the self cocking of most drillings. The "flipping up" of the rear sight would be common to both.
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The thumb slide does cock the rifle hammer independent of the barrel action cocking the shotgun hammers which are cocked as usual. The front trigger controls the rifle sear. There is a set screw that should control the let-off but does not appear to do so, the rifle trigger pull measuring 7 pounds regardless of the position of the set screw. When all hammers are cocked, the rifle fires first and the right shotgun barrel trigger is reset by pushing the right trigger forward.Comment
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Cthraen,
The front trigger should fire the right shot barrel or the rifle barrel, depending on whether the rifle's hammer is cocked and according to your description will fire the right shot barrel automatically on a second pull, without having to reset a selector as on a common drilling. The rear trigger should fire the lefthand shot barrel. Pushing the front trigger forward does not select the shot barrel for firing. The front trigger is a set trigger and the screw behind it does not adjust the trigger pull in the unset mode. Rather, it adjusts the sear engagement in the trigger itself and adjusts the trigger pull only in the set mode, from light to so light it will not "set". The way to adjust it is: set it, turn the screw until it trips, turn the screw back a half to one turn, set it again and try it, set it again and bump the stock robustly with your hand (if it has a recoil pad, bump it on the floor) if it doesn't trip, it is set. If you are not comfortable with such a light pull, you can readjust it a little heavier. I fire my own usually by taping it on the side. I hope this helps. BTW, the trigger will set and trip independent of the gun's other sears, if you set the trigger and don't fire it, you should open the barrels and trip the trigger. You should not carry it with the trigger set, even with the safety on. Have I been confusing enough?
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Axel and Mike, thanks for your responses. I will check out the set trigger and let you know how it goes. This is the same as on my Sauer 9.3x82 / 12 cape gun.Comment
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Cthraen,
I neglected to advise you that when unsetting the set trigger in those cases when set but the shot not taken, you should hold the thumb slide forward and let the hammer down slowly. In some thumb cocking rifles, the Greener type safety may not affect the rifle barrel and in others it may. You should experiment with yours to determine which it is (unloaded, of course). All this seems more complicated than it really is, and with use it will become "second nature".
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