need help evaluating a 1914 Luger made in 1917

[stswartz1]

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[stswartz1]

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[mike ford]

Steve,
It would be helpful if you take the barreled action from the stock and photo the markings under the barrel and action and numbers( if any) on the back of the magazine box. It would also help to have a photo that shows whether the set triggers are built into the trigger guard, or are a separate unit, set into it. The Mauser 32 Auto pistol seems to be a commercial Mod 1934.
Mike

[DreyseM65]

The bottom pistol is a Mauser M1934 in 7.65 (.32 ACP). Early Third Reich issue.

The top pistol is an Artillery Luger made by "DWM" in 1917. So far, it appears to be matching numbers. Very few of the 9mm Artillery Lugers had a "red 9" on the grip. The wooden plug on the magazine is correct. They are usually numbered, and sometimes with a number matching the rest of the pistol.

To establish any value, or collector desirability, you have to know if all the numbers match on each of the two pistols.

Willi

[stswartz1]

The luger's clip has the number 8669 on the wooden portions so does not match the rest of the pistol Ill pull the stock and try to identify makers mark tomorrow
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[mike ford]

I can clearly see from the new photo that the set triggers are a separate unit set into the trigger guard. This means it was likely made on a surplus WW1 action rather than commercial Oberndorf one, even though that isn't impossible.
Mike

[stswartz1]

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[stswartz1]

I did verify that the receiver, barrel and slide all were numbers matching on the 32 auto. I could not see any markings on the clip at all.

On the luger every number i could see without disassembly was matching even the safety except for the clip which was not matching

[Axel E]

Your rifle was built and proofed in Suhl in the 1920s on an action left over from the WW1 production of Gewehr 98 military rifles. The receiver was made for the Suhl production by Siemens & Halske, SH stamp under receiver ring. The rifle is proofed for the 9.3x62 cartridge, a world wide renowned big game number. The ?9 mm? of the proofmarks stands for the land diameter, not the groove or bullet diameter. The half ? octagonal barrel with integral rib is typical for the upgrade rifles made in Suhl then. The barrel blank was forged and rough bored by the Schilling forge, Suhl, S in hexagon mark. It was rifled and chambered by the well known Suhl barrelmaker WK, Wilhelm Kelber.
A fine example of a typical Suhl made repeating rifle of the time around WW1, with a not very common, but desirable chambering.

[mike ford]

I just noticed that Simpson Ltd. sold a Artillery Luger holster shoulder stock with the "rigging" for $1500. You might check to see if your father also has the same for his.
Mike

[yamoon]

Axel, Mike
If the set triggers are not a separate assembly, is this an indicator of a commercial receiver? Were shotgun style trigger guards used on repurposed military actions?
Thanks Mike

[Axel E]

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If the set triggers are not a separate assembly, is this an indicator of a commercial receiver?

Mike, we are talking about the bottom metal here, as the magazine ? trigger guard assembly and the receiver may be of different sources. Only original Mauser, Oberndorf commercial assemblies had the set trigger parts built directly into the triggerguard. All other, military and later (FN) commercial actions used separate housings, pinned, screwed or crimped to the opened up trigger guard.

Were shotgun style trigger guards used on repurposed military actions?

Shotgun style seperate trigger guards were a common custom feature done by gunsmiths outside the Mauser factory. Most often seen on military production bottom metals, but sometimes found on commercial Oberndorf actions used by other gunmakers.

[yamoon]

Thanks Axel