.22 Schuetzen Markings

[DreyseM65]

Have had this rifle for several years, but have not been able to find out much on it. In addition the number of "41" on both butt plate components, there is a "3" under the barrel and on the trigger block. The photo shows the "MM" and "3". Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Willi

[DreyseM65]

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[mike ford]

Willi,
Absent more markings there is not much that can be determined. I suspect, however, that the MM is for Max Moeller, who was a barrel maker. He did make, or finish, some guns, however. I have a drilling I believe was made or finished by him. In addition to the MM as on your rifle, the barrels are also marked with a logo, containing two Ms. Based on this( not much reason), I would guess Max Moeller only made the barrel.
Mike

[DreyseM65]

Thanks Mike. Is there anyway to put a date on the rifle? 1930s?

I have a pre-1900 "System Stahl" Schuetzen that was obviously originally a 9.5 x 47R, but was relined to 8.15 x 46R. Very nicely engraved with carved wood. It also has the "MM" under the barrel, with little else. Does that indicate the barrel was relined by Max Moeller?

Regards,
Willi

[yamoon]

Nice schuetzen, I am hoping to find one like that in .22
Mike

[mike ford]

Willi,
I'm not sure if you could find a listing of serial numbers to date the rifle, but except for a couple makers, serial numbers aren't a reliable way of dating them anyway. The most reliable, in my opinion, is through proof marks, and your rifle has none. I suppose it is possible that it lacks proofs because it was put together "under the table", right after the war, or was in the factory awaiting sale and proofing when the war ended. I know of no way to verify this, though. The use of 22 LR and the fine condition would generally place it at a pretty late date. "MM" may have made the original barrel, and/or lined it. Any gunsmith could have lined it. Does it not have proof marks ?
Mike

[DreyseM65]

Mike, I think you are on to something. When I first obtained the rifle my thoughts were the rifle was assembled in the early post-war period. The finish (specially the receiver), the "fuzzy" checkering, the absence of any proof marks, and no rear sling swivel.

Regards,
Willi

[DreyseM65]

A couple of other .22 Schuetzen.