Gentlemen: I too have inherited an old Drilling shotgun

[TGM]

Mine is a 16 gauge side by side with an 8.9mm x 72 rifle below. Attached are pics of the proof marks. I am interested in the manufacture location- Suhl? and approximate date if that is knowable. My limited research leads me to think 1910-1912. But I now wish to learn from the experts. Any help is much appreciated.

[ellenbr]

Yes, manufactured in Suhl w/ the tubes being sourced from the Schilling forge and the tube worked from there noted. 9mm, larger diameter being 8,9mm, for a steel metal jacketed bullet of 13 grams.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[TGM]

Yes, manufactured in Suhl w/ the tubes being sourced from the Schilling forge and the tube worked from there noted. 9mm, larger diameter being 8,9mm, for a steel metal jacketed bullet of 13 grams.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Thanks for the confirmation. Are there any clues to who the manufacturer was? or the dates?

[mike ford]

TGM,
Your drilling was made after 1911, when they started showing the bore( not groove or bullet) diameter in mm, but before the early to middle 1920s, when Suhl started marking the proof date. There is no way to know who made it with only the images provided. We may never know, many such guns were made "for the trade", and mot marked as to maker or seller. The nominal caliber of the rifle is 9.3x72R and the shotgun has 65mm(2 1/2-2 9/16") chambers, rather than the current standard 70mm ( 2/3/4"). Ammo is currently available for both the rifle and shotgun.
Mike

[TGM]

TGM,
Your drilling was made after 1911, when they started showing the bore( not groove or bullet) diameter in mm, but before the early to middle 1920s, when Suhl started marking the proof date. There is no way to know who made it with only the images provided. We may never know, many such guns were made "for the trade", and mot marked as to maker or seller. The nominal caliber of the rifle is 9.3x72R and the shotgun has 65mm(2 1/2-2 9/16") chambers, rather than the current standard 70mm ( 2/3/4"). Ammo is currently available for both the rifle and shotgun.
Mike

Thanks that is very helpful. I have attached a few more pictures for your review. There is engraving on the receiver, and an interesting ammunition holder on the top of the stock also under lever if that helps. Any additional thoughts or directions for more research resources are appreciated.

[ellenbr]

It is a Roux action dreiling & there many be a clue on the frame or standing breech but these were made to be used and never a thought was given to someone wanting to know the maker 100 years later. Marks exist for compensation & liability & there may exist elsewhere on the sporting weapon.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[mike ford]

TGM,
Your drilling is a more or less standard design, for the time, and it looks very much like a Gebr. Rempt I had 50 years ago. I suggest you check very closely for the word "Remo", which was their trademark. If you find the trademark, it is a Gebr.Rempt, if you don't find it, it doesn't mean anything.
Mike

[TGM]

TGM,
Your drilling is a more or less standard design, for the time, and it looks very much like a Gebr. Rempt I had 50 years ago. I suggest you check very closely for the word "Remo", which was their trademark. If you find the trademark, it is a Gebr.Rempt, if you don't find it, it doesn't mean anything.
Mike

Thanks Mike. I will look closely and see what I can find.

[TGM]

additional marking

Thanks Mike. I will look closely and see what I can find.

I did find an additional marking- H S on the rifle barrel. Any thoughts on what that might be?

[mike ford]

TGM,
Raimey identified the Schilling Forge mark, because it is a recognized mark. Many other minor marks were placed by different workers and served to show work performed, for both payment and responsibility purposes. There was no "log" for these marks and so many names were similar that there is no practical way to identify them now. I suspect the H S falls into that category.
Mike

[ellenbr]

Ford of course is a non-believer in that we can narrow the choices for the "H.S." mechanic to a pool of craftsmen with a probability modell There was Hermann Schilling, Ernst Hermann Schilling, Heinrich Schilling & Hugo Schilling and possibly others. But "H.S." is not confined just to the Schilling klan & it could have been some other "H.S." mechanic like Hermann Schlegelmilch and a whole host more. But with the brace of touchmarks of a S in a Chevron, it is highly possible that a Schilling was involved in the whole process. There many be additional marks on the frame & elsewhere that would narrow the pool of mechanics. Triggerplate actions were a pricepoint or cheaper measure & somewhat of a stopgap measure until Anson & Deeley's protection period expired and then came along the A&D Body Action drilling followed by the Suhl staple of the Kerner-Anson Action Body drilling.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[ellenbr]

Another tid-bit of info I neglected to mention that one sees the initials "H.S." on many or one might say most of Valentin Christian Schilling's pattern welded tube offerings. I seem to recall that Heinrich Schilling was at the same addresss or very close to that of V. Chr. Schlling V. Chr. Schilling could have easily have had a subcontractor with the initials "H.S.", being a non-Schilling. But the preponderance of evidence does have its thumb on the H. Schilling side of the scales.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[algmule]

Hello

Here’s an image of HS/SH on a Greifelt Hammerless Drilling which passed the facility in Suhl in 1928

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It also has the marking for "des Reichsverbandes deutscher Büchsenmacher, Waffen- und Munitionshändler" on it

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I've also seen HS on the rifle barrel of another Greifelt Drilling.

Also, in 1930 the Greifelt establishment seems not to have been a member of the above mentioned Reichverband(es). They could of course have been in 1928 but of that I know nothing.

Kind regards
Peter

[ellenbr]

Many thanks for feeding the beast there Moose Snoot, but that HS on the triggerguard bow may have been the owner, not the tubeset knitter. I've seen HS many times and more than likely there were a couple generations of HS tubset knitters(pattern welded & fluid steel) & at least 1 HS family of mechanics @ each weapons making centres.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[Nathaniel Myers]

I would say your drilling is unique. It is certainly uncommon. The stock maker put the cartridge trap on the wrong side!