Headstamp Identification

[Nathaniel Myers]

Want to verify what this cartridge is and see if anyone here has additional information for it.

Thanks

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[mike ford]

Nathaniel,
What are the case dimensions?
Mike

[Nathaniel Myers]

Unfortunately I was not permitted to measure the case.

[Diz]

Nathaniel,

It appears that it could be several different cartridges/calibers according to info I found on International Cartridge Collectors. I would assume that if you couldn't measure the case than these are the only photos as well and you have none in profile. Is it rimless? Could you estimate caliber/length? It might help narrow the guesses down.

Thanks, Diz

[Nathaniel Myers]

Diz, I would be interested to read or see what you found.

I will post a few pictures shortly. I primarily took pictures of the headstamp as it provided the most information.

Unfortunately a scale and calipers were not at my disposal. I am not sure the museum would have permitted me to use them if I had had them.

If I were to GUESS, I would say 7x57, although the "rifle" they went with was unmarked and of an unknown chambering.

[Nathaniel Myers]

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Here is a side profile.

[Diz]

Nathaniel,

Could they possibly be 6.5? It is very interesting with nickle brass and a stripper clip to match!

Here is where I found the most useful info: http://forum.cartridgecollectors.org...nown-n-7/10664

Perhaps if you posted there as well.

Thanks, Diz

[Axel E]

The nickel plating and the knurling on the case bodies mark the "cartridges" as dummy / drill rounds. D.M., Deutsche Metallpatronenfabrik Karlsruhe, was the former, 1889 – 1896, name of the DWM ammo factory. 1892 is the date, a typical marking of military cartridges. Such turned-in rings over the headstamp are often used by handloaders in Germany to denote altered cases. The clip is of the very first Mauser stripper design. IMHO you have seen a rare Spanish 1892 rifle or carbine, both firsts in 7x57, still with the older, single stack, protuding magazine.

[Nathaniel Myers]

Axle,

Thank you for your post.

Does the KRLSR stand for something?

[Axel E]

Does the KRLSR stand for something?

Obviously an abbreviaton of KaRLSRuhe, Karlsruhe, a city in south-west Germany, seat of the Ehrmann - Lorenz - D.M. - DWM cartridge factory. Later, 1896 to WW1, cases were often headstamped DWM / K

[Nathaniel Myers]

Obviously an abbreviaton of KaRLSRuhe, Karlsruhe, a city in south-west Germany, seat of the Ehrmann - Lorenz - D.M. - DWM cartridge factory. Later, 1896 to WW1, cases were often headstamped DWM / K

Obviously!

Thanks for the explanation.

Will start a new thread shortly with the remainder.