Reichswerke Erfurt 7mm Rifle

[mike ford]

Chapman,
The English( at least American) name for that trigger is a "single set trigger", for the German "ruckstecher". A "single stage trigger" in German would be "flintenabzug".
Mike

[algmule]

Hello

Time to be a bit annoying. The following images were originally posted by Kurage on forum.robsoft.nu. The rifle is an 8x57 IS. This one is a bit different as the barrel has a rib. It does have the military bird, though, so it should fit in nicely with topic.
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It has not been confirmed as yet but I suspect it´s a small ring.

Kind regards
Peter

[algmule]

.... and here are further images

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Kind regards
Peter

[algmule]

... and last image

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Also: really sorry if OP morganp10 feels as if his thread has been hijacked.

Kind regards
Peter

[chapmen]

Is it signed by RwE or Danzig? I dont think that this rifle was made as an hunting rifle in one of the state factorys. It looks for me made from an left over military ( "c" under SN !!!) system, the rib is soldered on?

Sporter rifles from Amberg, Danzig and Erfurt where produced as hunting rifles and with the background to keep the factorys at work. So they where produced in limited types, without an "wish list".
Such things like blue hardening, barrels with ribs could not be made in this factorys because it was never made before there. The point was to build rifles with the parts, tools and machines they had.

[algmule]

chapmen,

No, there´s no RwE or Danzig mark on the rifle.

I do agree with your post #35. My point in posting the images is the lack of civilian proofs.

As regards the "c", please educate me.

Kind regards
Peter

[kammerherren]

Chapmen, what do you think of my RWE rifle? It’s in a rather sad condition, but the serial number is rather high….. Any idea what the LR stamp on the barrel means?

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[kammerherren]

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[kammerherren]

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[Axel E]

As regards the "c", please educate me.

Kind regards
Peter

That "c" is part of the WW1 German military numbering system. A military rifle, carbine or handgun was identified this way:
1.) Model, F.i. Gew98, Kar98, marked on the left receiver wall.
2.) Factory, f.i. Erfurt, and year of production. Both marked on top of receiver ring. All these three markings were often scrubbed off in sporterising post-WW1.
3.) Serial number. Each year started with number "1". Numbers ran from 1 to 9999 only. As more rifles were produced in one fiscal year, a letter, starting with a, was added and numbers started with 1 again. So the carbine action numbered 6837c was the 36834th (9999 + 9999a + 9999b + 6837c) carbine Kar98AZ produced by that factory during a formerly marked year.

[algmule]

Hello

Slightly off-topic but I didn't know where else to put it. I now have a source for Deutsche(n) Werke (Erfurt) manufacturing/putting together "Jagdwaffen" in November 1921. I only know of two kinds of hunting weapons with the Deutsche Werke trademark - the Kleinkaliberbüchse in .22 and the shotgun conversion with the Deutsche Werke medallions in the stock. The .22 rifles I had down as youth rifles (yes, I know .22 can be used when hunting and I also know young people may have hunted) and the shotgun conversions with DW medallions I had dismissed as fake (medallion switch from the youth rifles to Gehas missing their medallions). Now I may have to re-consider as regards the DW conversions. Does anyone know if there were any other Jagdwaffen coming out of Erfurt when the former Königlichen Gewehrfabrik went under the name Deutsche Werke?

I still hold that there wasn't any "legal" 98 receiver manufacturing in Erfurt after late August/early September 1919 until October/November 1920. There must have been enough receivers there already after the armistice 11 November 1918 to go around, and I really don't believe that receivers were manufactured in the period 11 November 1918 - late August/early September 1919 either.

Also1: rifle manufacturing in November 1921 must mean they have civilian proofs. I sure would like to know what Jagdwaffen they were, that is, if they weren't the .22 rifles. The conversions with DW medallions carry civilian proofs.
Also2: I know about the pistols from DW.

Kind regards
Peter

[chapmen]

Hello

I now have a source for Deutsche(n) Werke (Erfurt) manufacturing/putting together "Jagdwaffen" in November 1921.
Peter

Can you give more info about this source?

Werner Limbrecht gives in his book " Kgl. Preuss. Gewehrfabrik Erfurt" the info that the Deutsche Werke made in June 1922 Ortgies Pistols, Huntingrifles, .22 Pistols and furniture. As source for this he gives an infopaper made by Deutsche Werke, but pourly he dont show it.

[algmule]

Hello

Newspaper articles from November 1921 mention a French General Nollet visiting Erfurt. He was Chairman of the Military Inter-Allied Commission of Control. The articles mention that he wanted to stop the manufacturing of Jagdwaffen.

Apparently the final date for ending sporter weapon production in Erfurt given by the Military Inter-Allied Commission of Control when first allowing it was 31. March 1922. If this final date was re-negotiated later on I don't know. One newspaper mention that at the start of civilian weapons production in Erfurt there was intention to manufacture "Sport- und Luxuswaffen". I only know of sporter rifles, shotgun conversions, youth rifles and pistols coming out of the former Königlichen Gewehrfabrik, Luxuswaffen I've never seen from either RwE or Deutsche Werke.

A couple of things to remember: newspapers are, and were, known for spouting propaganda so they are not the most reliable sources. My research is an on-going research. Sometimes I add and sometimes I take away findings of mine. As Axel has pointed out, the time frame from the armistice and a couple of years on are difficult to research and sources are few. My research has been going on since 2013 and I know less today than I did a year ago, and the years before that year. With every new finding I find myself reconstructing the passage of events and coming up with further "likelihoods". This is how research functions. You allow yourself to take in as many aspects and theories as possible. Then, and only then, you may, if lucky, be able to put forward the likelihood of events. On occasion you may be able to find the full story.

Chapmen, thanks for chiming in.

Kind regards
Peter

[chapmen]

http://contentdm.warwick.ac.uk/cdm/r...on/tav/id/2348

There are quite a lot finds for Gewehrfabrik Erfurt, Deutsche Werke and so on in the online findbooks of several german archives.
To open this sources you need a lot of time, visit the archives and an hard bite ........, the most- or better all is still not digitalized.

[kammerherren]

The other day I was offered this rifle, not sure I'm going to buy it, but I'm afraid it might end up as scrap metal if I don't reach out and saves it. As you can see from the pictures, this is also an RWE model. The bolt has another serial number than the action and barrel. Not sure about the wood. The wood is rather worn, but it’s not completely ruined. I notice that the serial number on the barrel is written quite differently when I compare it to my own RWE rifle. The serial number 923 fits a lot better in the expected serial number range to, compared to my own rifle with number 7992.

What do you think, is it a keeper?

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Edit August 2017: I have updated the pictures due to Photobucket problems.