HUBERTUS by Imman Meffert

[MARAT]

Yes, of course, there was mistake 4 grams of black powder for 20 gram bullet.
Thank you for yours answers.
But if I put 5 gram of powder for 20 gram bullet, velocity of bullet must be higher?!
Excuse my, I am layman in reloading...

[sharps4590]

Black powder is a completely different beast from smokeless and, as Mike mentioned, the black of today is not the same as the black from the 1870's or 1880's. It generally burns dryer and leaves a harder fouling. The actual weight charge of black powder can be ignored as you want a charge that fills the case up to the bottom of the bullet when compressed about 1/10 to 1/8 of an inch. That is achieved by experimenting and adjusting your powder measure. You do NOT want any air space. There also needs to be a card wad between the powder and bullet to protect the bullet base. I use a plain card wad of about .020 and it's worked fine for 30+ years. Best results are often obtained by loading the charge into the case with the use of a 24 inch drop tube. One may also need to add a "grease cookie" which is nothing more than a pea sized pellet of bullet lube between two .020 wads. I have only found the grease cookie necessary when the bullet does not carry enough lube in its grooves, generally smaller caliber cartridges. My 43 Mauser, 45-90 and 40-70 do not require a grease cookie but my 9.3 X 62R does as does my 45-100. The bullet lube should also be quite soft so it combines with the fouling and keeps it as soft as possible.

Mine isn't the only way to achieve good and often excellent results with black powder but it sure works good for me.

[MARAT]

Sharps 4590!
thank you!

[mike ford]

MARAT,
Sharps4590 didn't mention( likely because it is "common knowledge" in the US) that in addition to being soft, the lube must not contain any petroleum products, such as Alox. These products are said to make the residue hard.
Mike

[sharps4590]

Mike is exactly right on both counts, thank you for adding that. I didn't think to mention it and I should have. We can buy black powder lubes here but you can make your own lube for black powder quite easily if you have access to beeswax. Start at about a 50/50 mix of beeswax and a "natural" oil such as castor oil, sweet oil, some use olive oil but I think that's expensive. I have never tried it but imagine plain old vegetable oil would work too as long as it doesn't have salt in it. If it's too hard, like in the winter, or too soft in summer you can adjust the percentages to work any season.

[MARAT]

Yes, I have some beeswax to put it on end of walnut stocks before their storage and drying.
Thank you, for your advise, Sharps 4590 !!!!
i'll try to prepare it .

[Fred]

I have used a bullet lube from Germany with success. http://www.blue-lube-20.de/bl20-english.html I believe it is about 50/50 bees wax and lanolin.

[mike ford]

Fred,
The advert. showed 45-70,40-65,and 45-100 cartridges( bullets lubed with Blue Lube). Do you know if cases for 45-70, 45-90(or 100 or 110) are available? This brass would be useful to MARAT for making 11.15x60R cases.
Mike

[sharps4590]

Lanolin would work. So many things work and work well. In addition to what I previously mentioned there is; Rendered 'coon fat, bear fat, mutton tallow, (it can get rancid over time), beef and hog tallow if unsalted and if a person was so inclined 'possum fat. I've tried all except the 'possum and really can't say one is much better than the other, they all worked good. Bear and 'coon are very close in consistency and pretty darn good & clean!.

[Diz]

I believe that Captech makes all the old Sharps brass. They were formally Jameson. However, I am not sure if brass can be shipped out of the country but since someone is making it should be available somehow.

Sharps, that's quite a list of fat's but have you ever tried skunk fat?! Diz

[mike ford]

I mentioned the brass because the link for German lube had 45-70, 45-100, etc. cartridges in the advert., so it must be available in Germany. I didn't know if it is available in Russia. I would prefer Starline, it is usually cheaper.
Mike

[Diz]

Mike,

I forgot about Starline. I like their brass and I find it very consistent. Finding it in Russia may be difficult.

Thanks, Diz

[fuhrmann]

Here is the link to an older article from Ross Seyfried on the 11,15x60R
http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazin...d=750&magid=56

with some suggestions on loading cartridges.
New 11,15x60R cases should also be available (from Horneber in Germany, Bertram in Australia, maybe others too?)
I am curious if reloading is possible in Russia and what powders and other components are available.

Regards,
fuhrmann

[sharps4590]

Sharps, that's quite a list of fat's but have you ever tried skunk fat?! Diz

lol!!!! No sir, I have not! During all the years I trapped I don't know how I avoided catching a skunk but never did. If I had it would have died in the trap and been left for crow bait. It is certain it wouldn't have been taken home, skinned and the fat rendered!!!

[Fred]

Brass seems to be available in Germany. I googled 45-70 Huelsen. http://www.keune-wiederladen.de/
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