Krieghoff K-80

[JYS]

Hello All,

I've owned this K-80 since 2012. I've been told that the engraving is Bavaria, Parcour even custom (Fox and Pheasant scene). I have no idea who the artisan engraver was. I have sent pictures to one engraver who responded "he didn't have time to determine who the engraver was, he just knew it was not him".

Sorry about the quality of the photos. All help is appreciated.

Regards,

JohnnieFox and Pheasant.jpg.jpgwater foul.jpg.jpgK80 underside.jpg.jpg

[Axel E]

As this is a post-WW2 Krieghoff, Ulm, Germany, factory gun with factory engraving, why don't you ask them? Their website:
http://www.krieghoff.com/

[Axel E]

As this is a post-WW2 Krieghoff, Ulm, Germany, factory gun with factory engraving, why don't you ask them? Their website:
http://www.krieghoff.com/

[mike ford]

Johnnie,
As Axel said, this factory engraving would have likely been done by one of their "in house" engravers. They may or may not have a record of the person or persons that did the engraving on a particular gun. They may have had one engraver do the animals, and a less experienced one do the background and scroll work. Of course, I have no first hand knowledge of Krieghoff's internal procedures.
Mike

[JYS]

Johnnie,
As Axel said, this factory engraving would have likely been done by one of their "in house" engravers. They may or may not have a record of the person or persons that did the engraving on a particular gun. They may have had one engraver do the animals, and a less experienced one do the background and scroll work. Of course, I have no first hand knowledge of Krieghoff's internal procedures.
Mike

As this is a post-WW2 Krieghoff, Ulm, Germany, factory gun with factory engraving, why don't you ask them? Their website:
http://www.krieghoff.com/

Hey Mike and Axel,

I took it to the Grand in IL in 2013. The Krieghoff store there gave it a tune up, when I got it back they said "we don't recognize the engraving as "factory"". But I will ask the company direct.

Thanks,

Johnnie

[mike ford]

Johnnie,
Be sure to let us know what you find out.
Mike

[JYS]

Johnnie,
Be sure to let us know what you find out.
Mike

Will do Mike

[JYS]

Johnnie,
Be sure to let us know what you find out.
Mike

Will do Mike.

Johnnie

[JYS]

Will do Mike.

Johnnie

Update: Spoke with Jen at Krieghoff. She says that KI (USA) does not have records that go that far back. She says that KI Germany should have the records on this K-80. She said she has never seen the engraving scenes that are on my shotgun before. She also said that it could take up to 10 weeks to hear back from Germany. That's all I've got for now.

Johnnie

[JYS]

Update: Spoke with Jen at Krieghoff. She says that KI (USA) does not have records that go that far back. She says that KI Germany should have the records on this K-80. She said she has never seen the engraving scenes that are on my shotgun before. She also said that it could take up to 10 weeks to hear back from Germany. That's all I've got for now.

Johnnie

Update: I spoke with Nick from Krieghoff USA today, he asked for more pictures of my K-80. He too says that he has never seen the Fox and the Pheasant scene. Nick says that he will contact "the factory" in Germany personally to see if they have more information on my Trap gun. He said that it wouldn't take 10 weeks to hear back from KI.

Johnnie

[JYS]

Hello All,

Nick replied with the following message; "The engraving you shown is an early Bavaria Suhl…serial number is most likely from somewhere between 1980 and 1982". He could not give me the engravers name or the name of the scene. I would have liked a more complete description, but it is what he gave me. Does anyone know of a resource to identify scenes and engravers? Let me know.

Regards,

Johnnie

[mike ford]

JYS,
Usually in Germany, even "custom" engraving is not signed unless a signature is requested by the customer. Very rarely you may find an ID hidden within the engraving, that only the engraver himself/herself knows. Some engravers work is distinctive enough that others familiar with it can ID it, animals as an example. This is not likely possible from photos, especially "thumb nails". There are engravers that view this site and I believe they would have IDed the engraver for you already, if they could have.
Mike

[JYS]

JYS,
Usually in Germany, even "custom" engraving is not signed unless a signature is requested by the customer. Very rarely you may find an ID hidden within the engraving, that only the engraver himself/herself knows. Some engravers work is distinctive enough that others familiar with it can ID it, animals as an example. This is not likely possible from photos, especially "thumb nails". There are engravers that view this site and I believe they would have IDed the engraver for you already, if they could have.
Mike

Thanks for the info Mike. I appreciate your knowledge about my shot guns.

Regards,

Johnnie