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    Received this from the daughter of a WW1 veteran who fought over seas and was in France during and after the war as a U.S. Secret Police Officer. The name Lafaucheux and the address 37 rue Vivienne in Paris are inscribed on top between the barrels. Any information other than what I have discovered I would surely appreciate. I will attach more pictures. Thanks, Kevin!
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          Hopefully I captured all the proof marks. I could be wrong although I am suspecting that this might have been one of his first originals based on the fact of the name and address. I have not seen any with this inscribed on other similar pinfire shotguns. This is what I am trying or hoping to clarify. Thanks for any help!

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          • #6
            Looks like it experienced proof between 1869 & 1879 in St. Etienne. I would guess the CB on the tubes was a tube maker from St. Etienne. More than likely the trademark of LF is that of Jean Pierre Laffiteau seeing he purchased some component of it in 1865.

            http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20fra...lexis%20gb.htm

            Cheers,

            Raimey
            rse

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              Thank you for responding. I will go and check out the link. What of Casmir Lafaucheux name and address in between the barrels. Wouldn't that indicate where it was made or came from. I know he was the inventor of the pinfire shell and this shotgun before others built on the design. Also the patents were inherited or handed down to his son in law who married his daughter. I have an article written showing that same address of his residence. I will see if I can copy it here. If I may ask what does the mark CB mean. I am a freshy! Here is one link identifying the history. I also just found something on it in a facebook best guns topic.

              http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20fra...lexis%20gb.htm

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              • #8
                Here is a good source but I can't read in French. When I saw it on facebook under BEST GUN'S MAKERS ONLY where someone posted it I was able to hit the translation button. Although crude I could make out most of the context. Here is the translation.

                ((( CASIMIR LEFAUCHEUX

                In the late 1830s, Casimir Lefaucheux revolutionizing the world of hunting with his pinfire, the first breech-loading truly reliable receiver. This invention is a milestone in the history of arquebuserie. It is a global success, for example, include one English name manufacturer gun pinfire and not least, James Purdey. In France the pinfire becomes an institution. Many hunters will remain faithful to him until the beginning of World War II. If there is a plethora of pinfire, there is only one Lefaucheux gun.


                CASIMIR LEFAUCHEUX

                Born January 27, 1802 Bonnetable in the Sarthe, the young Casimir is placed very early apprenticed to John Pauly, famous Swiss gunsmith, based in Paris. Pauly is the inventor of a gun breech loading that takes a cartridge box closed by a brass rosette. The invention is not perfect, but represents a significant advance. In 1815, Pauly tries his luck in London and sells his studio Henri Roux. It takes as a laborer Casimir gunsmith. In 1827 Casimir Lefaucheux takes over the running of the Pauly home, 5 rue Jean Jacques Rousseau. He has twenty five years and bought more of the background and Roux Pichereau patents. That same year he married. His wife gives him a nice dowry and give him seven children. All these actions are marked by a determined and sure of his man. In the same year his gun receives an honorable mention at the Paris Exposition. The weapon uses a firing capsule. In 1833, Casimir invented his famous lock T. Then it makes pistols and rifles switch that earned him great success. January 7, 1835, Casimir granted a patent for its cartridge spindle. These two inventions are combined at the top of the French arquebuserie. Casimir Lefaucheux remains lucid, it can not meet the demand in his modest workshop. It will therefore sell its holdings of both inventions rights to a number of dealers through substantial royalties. However, once in the public domain, the number of gunsmiths manufacturers Lefaucheux will skyrocket. Casimir Lefaucheux treats its advertising, there Lefaucheux of the weapons from the store Lefaucheux. He moved to 10 rue de la Bourse and receives a wealthy clientele. The press of the time incense. Fortune made Casimir sells his business and returned to the Sarthe. It is eight years away from the gunsmith world and returned to Paris in 1845.


                Two years later, he bought his own store. He turned to the invention of pocket pistols and pepper. He returned immediately with success and in 1850 moved to 37 rue Vivienne. He died August 9, 1852 at the age of fifty years. His widow, first alone ensures the estate with competence. His son Eugene attained his majority in 1853, is a valuable aid. In 1859 his eldest daughter, Constance Casimire wife a gunsmith named Jean Pierre Laffiteau who will take care of managing the store while Eugene is in charge of his own inventions. Under the leadership of the latter case will take an industrial size. Casimir Lefaucheux saw his name immortalized by his invention to the point that it has become a common name for all guns pin. Along with mass production, rue Vivienne Casimir takes direct its weapons achievements luxury box delivered. )))



                http://www.academie-des-armes-anciennes.com/mag10.html

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                • #9
                  Freshy, huh? What might be your primary language?

                  Cheers,

                  Raimey
                  rse

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                  • #10
                    Side by side Pinfire shotgun signed Lefaucheux – Laffiteau

                    For the little story:

                    At the wedding of Constance Lefaucheux (elder sister of Eugene Lefaucheux ) with Jean Pierre Alexis Laffiteau on February 7, 1859, Ms. Casimir widow retired to St. Maur (Faivre family home), keeping however the "management of operations" at the 37 rue Vivienne in Paris.
                    Jean Pierre Laffiteau is designated as the "neighbor" of the Rue Vivienne. (His father will also be witness at the marriage of Eugene and Mary Louise Bigot Lefaucheux April 28, 1862).

                    It's time for Eugene Lefaucheux to move and settle his workshops as “manufacturer of weapons rue Lafayette 104” (renumbered thereafter from 194 to 196).

                    This move in 1860 will create two houses Lefaucheux:

                    · The company "E. Lefaucheux et Cie, Rue Lafayette in Paris who will sign his weapons:

                    “E. Lefaucheux”.

                    · The shop gunsmith – “Maison Lefaucheux, 37 Rue Vivienne in Paris” to sign “Lefaucheux”.

                    Jean Pierre Laffiteau buys from Eugene and his two sisters, father Lefaucheux House, the exclusive right to use the name “Lefaucheux” without initial or name and use the initials LF, for the sum of 150,000 francs.

                    On November 29, 1865 Laffiteau deposited at the Registry of the Commercial Court of Paris two proofmarks:

                    1. For rifles manufactured in Paris, this mark consists of a cartridge on which is presented a pistol with the initials LF with the word “Lefaucheux”.

                    2. For rifles manufactured in St Etienne, the proofmarks are two palms crossed with the word “Lefaucheux”.
                    Henry Rieger associated to Laffiteau in 1871 will take over as "successor Rieger Lefaucheux House in 1876.

                    Shotgun 16 Gauge Pin signed Lefaucheux – Laffiteau

                    Classic rifle barrel juxtaposed with a key called "T" or “Lefaucheux key”.

                    By putting the hammers into position weapons, and push the “big key” to the right, flip the barrels open for loading.

                    If you want to strip the rifle, you’re pushing the small key to the left, and you disassociate this barrels from de rifle.
                    Last edited by edensoasis; 01-20-2015, 02:51 AM.

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                    • #11
                      http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...rue#Post317286

                      Cheers,

                      Raimey
                      rse

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                      • #12
                        English, American that is.

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                        • #13
                          Freshy, I meant by a novice just learning. It was just jesting!

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                            Thanks for the link! Appreciate it.

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                            • #15
                              I guess I've never heard Freshy here in the U.S. of A. Thought it to be some odd translation. Yeah, somewhere in the link there's some info of how the LF trademarks were disposed. Might be a link within a link. I'll see if I can locate it.

                              Cheers,

                              Raimey
                              rse

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