J P Sauer Model Identification

[Doug Kellermann]

I am looking at this JP Sauer Drilling from the 1960's.

I dont know any thing about the Eckernförde operation or models. What model is this drilling?

regards,

Doug

[mike ford]

This drilling looks like a mod.3000. If it had been engraved with hunting scenes, it would have been mod.3000 Lux.

[Doug Kellermann]

thanks Mike,

In my opinion the engraving from Eckernförde does not meet the Suhl post WWII engraving even during the commie period.

Subsequently I passed on the drilling which is a Sauer Eckernförde 16x16/30-30. The 16x16/30-30 combination is a classic in my opinion

To me I would rather deal iwth a 1936 Funk Jublee drilling in a wacky 16x16/8x72r with fantastic workmanship and phenomenal engraving than a mass produced inferior post WWII gun.

But that is my opinion.

Tally Ho

Doug

[mike ford]

When they left Suhl they had to start all over again, with new models,new tooling, new workmen, new engravers and new customers that were either trying to rebuild their country(Germans) or were used to Savage, Rem., or Win. prices (Americans). To stay in business they had to keep the prices down. At least they used 70mm chambers, and you don't have to worry about ribs comming loose and frames cracking. 8x72R is not really so wacky, it's almost equal to 8x57R and the small dia.case allows a slimmer drilling. I like the old drillings, but don't "cull" the new ones either. In my opinion, the worst thing they did was build them in 12x12/30-06 ( 30-06 is a great caliber, but a drilling "belongs to be" chambered for a rimmed cartridge).

[Doug Kellermann]

Mike,
The Funk 8x72r has been a real challenge for some reason the Funk implementation does not follow the 8x72r nor the 8x72r Sauer (Brenneke) case sizes.

Hopefully in the coming weeks there will be time to chamber cast the Funk to solve this mystery. I do know the bore is .3215 from the groves.

Doug

[mike ford]

When I was working up loads for my 8x72R, my friend Gene Enterkin was working up loads for a customer. He forgot to trim the cases, thinking since they started at 72mm (9.3x72R cases) they didn't need it. I sized mine in 32-40 file trim die, fireformed, then let the fireformed case tell me where to trim to (2.84" in my case). Before trimming, Gene's wouldn't chamber with correct size bullets( in our case .318") If you have 8x72R dies but not 32-40, you may need to shorten the sizing die to let the case in deep enough ( a carbide cutter, cutting from inside to outside, will do it). If you measure the headsize with a dial caliper, you may not need a chamber cast. The common 8x72R ( Brenneke version) should have about .428" headsize, the Sauer version should be about .473". If it was rechambered to 8x75R( or case length misread/mismarked), the headsize would be about .468". I used 32 Win. Special bullets sized to .318", but you can use them "as is". This is just taking"a shot in the dark", since you didn't say what problems you are having.

[Doug Kellermann]

hey Mike

That might be a great shot. We will looks at that in the coming weeks...

Thanks for sharing your insights...

Doug