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I just got a 16 x 16 x 8.57. I believe it was made in Feb.1930 not sure has a bunch of markings on the barrels. It also has a front sight that has a slide button to raise it, and it has a 22 long rifle barrel that goes into a 16 gauge barrels. Any information would be nice. Any thoughts on value also nice. The 22 insert has made by TMH Kuestein made in Austria. The gun has AKAH on the butt plate. Is this a rare gun or is it fairly common.
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Rick,
Congrats. for your find. AKAH was (and is) a big Sporting goods outlet in Germany, that dealt in many makes of guns etc.(Albrect Kind).The make of the insert is not familiar to me, but may be to others. Is it an insert cartridge, or insert barrel(Einstecklauf)? If you post clear photos of the gun, including of all the markings, and the 22 insert; I'm sure someone here can give you more information.Be sure to include the front sight.
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Thanks Mike I will try to get pictures on here. I said it was the front sight but I should have said the back sightComment
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Rick,
I believe you are correct about the proof date, I couldn't read the month, but the year is 1930;I'm sure you had a better view of the month. The caliber is 8X57IR, which is for the .318" bullet. I suggest you "slug" the barrel, it's likely to be larger than .318. If a .323" bullet freely enters a fired/unsized cartridge case, you should be able to use 8X57IRS ammo. If a .323" bullet won't enter, but a .321"(32 Win Spec) bullet will, you can handload with it. This is not as critical as before, because .318"bullets are more avaliable than then. The Drilling was proofed in Suhl (Nitro in block letters), so was likely made there.The shotgun barrels have 16ga 65mm(2 1/2-2 9/16") chambers, unless they have been lengthened over the years. Like .318 bullets, 65mm 16 ga shells are more avaliable than before.The Einstecklauf (EL)is interesting, I haven't seen this make before( there are a lit of things I haven't seen). I believe it was made in Kufstein instead of Kuestein. The point of impact seems to be adjustable by a 2 pin spanner in the two screws visible. There may be a third screw or a spring loaded plunger not visible. One of mine is adjustable by an eccentric at the muzzle, but the rest have pads sliding on an inclined plane for adjustment. I would like to see a shot of the rear part of the EL. I find ELs in my drillings to be useful.
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Mike,
Here are some more photos. I would like to know an approximate value of this gun and I also have 11 Norma 8 x57JR shells and 4 boxes of Norma brass cases and about 200 Norma 8mm cal. .318 diameter 196 grain bullets. Is this stuff worth anything.Comment
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Rick,
Thanks for the photos, now I can see that your EL works pretty much like the rest of the ones I'm familiar with, I think the adjustment screws would be easier than the pads. I don't like to estimate the value of other peoples guns.You can check the auction sites for the actual sale prices of similar drillings.Don't pay much attention to listed prices, I know of one thats been for sale for several years, because it's overpriced. Yes, this "stuff" is worth something, it's hard enough to come by that I highly reccomend you keep and use it.
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Mike,
I am interested in selling all of this stuff I just really don't know what it's worth. If you know of anyone looking for something like this let me know. ThanksComment
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Mike do you have any idea who made this gun.Comment
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Rick,
I don't know who made it. If you just insist on selling it, there is a Wanted to Buy/Wanted to Sell thread on this forum. Advertise it there.
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I wonder if it would be possible to drill, tap and install such adjustment on any einstecklauf?Comment
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Rick,
I don't know, I would guess the wall thickness of the barrel would have been made to fit which ever systen it was manufactured for.Anyway, the trouble you would have to go through to drill and tap the barrel for the screws would be more than just using the system that it was made with.
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