Krieghoff Neptun engraving and more

[kcordell]

Hi,

Have a few questions for the forum..

- Does anyone have historical data on Krieghoff Neptun model guns?
- Does Krieghoff have records from Pre WW2 that they share whom the guns were made for?
- Any thoughts on whom did the engraving? Could it possibly be Schilling?
- what did they cost when new?
- was there a standard scope that Krieghoff used?
- any idea on production numbers?

Thanks!!!

[Axel E]

Why not ask them directly? If they don't know, everithing is guesswork.
http://www.krieghoff.de/en/company/contact-us/

[kcordell]

Why not ask them directly? If they don't know, everithing is guesswork.
http://www.krieghoff.de/en/company/contact-us/

Axel,

I sent them an inquiry today. Thanks for the thought!

[kcordell]

Axel, for what it's worth, Krieghoff Germany responded that all records 1945 and prior no longer exist. Lost in a fire or taken...they are not sure. Sad, lots of great data lost forever.

Anyway, here is better picture.

The barrels are Röchling Elecktro which I am unfamiliar with.

Thanks anyway for your help.

[mike ford]

kcordell,
Roechling Electro, steel, is seen often enough that it is pretty well known. It would be helpful if you posted photos of the proofmarks, and details of the interesting scopemounts.
Mike

[kcordell]

Here is a picture of some of the proofs and a few of the scope and mount. Please excuse as I have not cleaned the gun yet.

[mike ford]

kcordell,
There have been a couple recent questions from people with drillings that have the same type mount bases your's has.Your photos should be very interesting to them. The caliber is 8x57IR, as I'm sure you know. I couldn't make out the year(looks like 20s or 30s), but it was proofed in the 10th month of that year.You have a very nice drilling.
Mike

[kcordell]

thanks Mike. It was made in October of 1929. Yep, I am familiar with the caliber have quite a few rounds stashed away. Let me know how I can help with the scope mount. Thanks greatly for your response much appreciated.

[mike ford]

kcordell,
I'm sure the clear photos you have already posted will very helpful to them.
Mike

[kcordell]

For those looking to rescope your select combinations / drillings, I have this example to show. A now deceased friend set this up for me years ago. I am not sure of the mounts used but they work very, very well....fits like a glove. If anyone can identify the mounts, it would be helpful to me as well. I hope this helps. Oh....kindly ignore the gaudy electrical tape on the scope. My son added as the shade would not stay stationary.

[Axel E]

These seem to be Ruger mounts for the #1 falling block.

[Jim Cate]

Axel, for what it's worth, Krieghoff Germany responded that all records 1945 and prior no longer exist. Lost in a fire or taken...they are not sure. Sad, lots of great data lost forever.

There are some pre-1946 Krieghoff records in the Suhl Archive. Obviously, the firm doesn't want to spend the time or the money to "dig" them out for us. JIM

[kcordell]

Jim, that's interesting! Can anyone else get access to the records other than Krieghoff? Are they considered Public records?

[mike ford]

I believe Axel is correct about the mounts being Ruger rings, but with the little stud(on the bottom) milled off.
Mike

[Axel E]

There are some pre-1946 Krieghoff records in the Suhl Archive. Obviously, the firm doesn't want to spend the time or the money to "dig" them out for us. JIM

I would recommend to search American archives too! From April to June 1945 Suhl was occupied by US forces first. During WW2 Krieghoff was a major developer and maker of most advanced machine guns and aircraft armament. I bet, American intelligence units thoroughly searched all Krieghoff facilities then for paperwork that may contain hints to construction details and production methods and numbers that may have been of any value to US military, before leaving Suhl to the Soviets on July 1, 1945. As there was little time for sighting and sorting the factory archives, they may have packed it up wholesale and transported it westwards. At least, they did so with other factories of military importance, leaving only workers and junk to the enraged and disappointed Soviets, f.i. in "operation paperclip".