Search for Thieme&Schlegelmilch Patent- Nimrod Nasenverschluss

[chapmen]

When searching...... for the "Nimrod - Nasenverschluss" made by the Suhl rifle factory Thieme&Schlegelmilch, one comes across weapons that explicitly refer to a patent for the breech. Not all weapons with this locking system bear this marking.
A search in the magazine "Waffenschmied" from the period 1895-1910 reveals only one DRGM (what is not an patent!) with the number 136215, which describes a rifle breech.
A search in the DEPATIS patent database with various keywords yields no hits.
There is also no reference to a patent or a patent number in my relevant literature.

Was a patent granted for the "nose lock" or is the information on the weapons misleading?

Here is an example, taken from

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/printthre...amp;type=thread

[algmule]

Hello

A german patent? I would say no. Here is the D.R.G.M. (the below is the Verl?ngerung)

1899-11-17-1902-10-29DRGM137215Nimrod-Gewehr-FabrikThieme&SchlegelmilchSuhliThPatentblattherausgegebenvondemKaiserlPatentamt1902.jpg
First taken out on November 17, 1899, and extended on October 10, 1902.

I could well be wrong as to there not being a D.R.P. as regards the Nasenverschlu? but I have looked for it far and wide with no success. I will have to look but I have it in the back of my mind that there is an Austrian patent on the Nasenverschlu?. I could be wrong about that too.

Peter

[chapmen]

Mmh, thats another DRGM Number, maybe given with the extend, but it describes the Nasenverschluss, one step forward with this info.
There is no doubt that the abbrevation "PAT." stamped on the guns means "Patent".
So there are two thoughts- there is never been an patent and this was marketing, ore, they wanted to get an patent but getting it was to expensive and they choosed the DRGM way.

[algmule]

Hello

Here an Austrian patent

No: 5039, applied April 13, 1900, approved April 15, 1901. (Heinrich Ernst Schlegelmilch, Suhl). Laufwandungsverschlu? f?r Kipplaufgewehre.

If there never was a German D.R.P. on the Nasenverschlu? I for sure do not know why. I have never come across any other similar patent/idea that maybe would have made Schlegelmilch's idea infringe on it.

EDIT: the British patent: No. 8393. Applied May 7, 1900, approved September 22, 1900. Improved means for locking the barrels of Drop-down gun.

EDIT again: forgot. Nimrod Gewehr-Fabrik Thieme & Schlegelmilch, Suhl, had a vast number of Gebrauchsmuster's. They are in my view the Suhl company with the most D.R.G.M.'s. I could well be wrong.

Peter