L. Sauerbrey In Kiel

[Thantos]

Hello All,
Here is the fourth gun I am trying to identify from my fathers collection. Looking for the same info as before, Year of Manufacture, any history possible, Gauge/Caliber and value. I hope the pictures do it justice. Please let me know if there are any questions. And once again thanks for all the help in advance. Also any word, sentence or phrase translations would be great.

1). L. Sauerbrey In Kiel - Is this the company or gunsmith or the town it was made in?
2). In picture #29 there is a stamp that reads - D.R.G.M. 72621. What does this mean?
3). Pictures 34 & 36 show a small button cap, any idea what this is for?
4). Triumph Drillings is that a manufacture or a type of model?
5). Excelsior Wittener Stahl - Translation Please?

Thanks, Gene

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[mike ford]

Gene,
L.Sauerbrey in Kiel would have marketed the drilling, but it was likely manufactured by someone else. It could have been finished by someone else, such as L.Sauerbrey. The D.R.G.M. means "Deutscher Reich Gebrauchs Muster", which is a patent like protection; but at a lesser level than a full patent. The number just IDs the particular D.R.G.M. Others on this forum have some of these records, maybe one of them will weigh in. I have no idea what the cap in pictures 34&35 is for. Triumph would be a model name. Whitten Stahl would be the manufacturer of the steel used in the barrels, and "Excelsior" would be the name of the particular alloy. The year of manufacture is not shown, but it can be set as being between 1893(when the 1891 proof law came into effect, and the 1911 improvements, which changed from Ga. to mm dia.designation of caliber) and 1912. It is chambered for 16 ga,65mm (2 1/2- 2 9/16") shells. Barrels marked with a "W" indicates the barrel is choked( degree not indicated, but likely very tight). The caliber of the rifle barrel is shown by the 172/8, which is a guage designation and converts to 7.62mm. This is the bore, not groove or bullet diameter.This mark is found on several different 8mm cartridges, including 8.15x46R. It is likely to be one of the smaller 8mm cartridges such as 8x58R or 8x57R/360. To determine which one, would require a chambercast and "slugging"the bore. As far as value is concerned, I don't like to place a value on a gun I don't own. I will say, however, that If I had a drilling belonging to my father, it would be priceless.
I hope this is helpful,
Mike

[Jim Cate]

Gene, I "googled" Sauerbrey in Kiel, Germany and found there are several 'folks' there even at present with that name. So I think Mike is correct regarding the fact that a firm / company by that name in Kiel probably retailed the gun in question. Triumph would be a model as Mike mentioned. Krieghoff had a doublebarrel 'Triumph' model before the war, but I don't know when the model name first appeared. Sorry, wish I could help you more. Jim Cate