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  • E. Goldmann in Erfurt double rifle

    As best I can determine this double is from the 1870's or perhaps, 1880's. It is chambered in 11.15 X 60R and I would have to slug the bore again to know the groove dimeter....or check my bullet sizing dies. I believe I size cast to .446 or .448. This was my first double rifle bought in the early 1990's and without Grahame Wright's book, "Shooting the British Double Rifle" I don't know I ever would have found a regulating load. Over 6 months, 3 bullet molds and who knows how many different charges and varieties of black powder I finally came across a load that would regulate. I used the Lyman .446 bullet for the "43 Mauser" at a nominal 350 grs. over 63 or 68 grs., (I forgot, it's written down), of the old GOEX Cartridge BP on top of 5 grs. of SR-4759. That load is consistent to 2-3 inches, composite group, at 65 yards, open sights with the rifle held, not rested but, from a sitting position. Certainly "minute of deer." Prior to trying and confirming that load groups rarely shot less than 6 inches and did every dido an old double is capable of. I had about given up. I blame this rifle as being my doctoral thesis and providing my Phd in handloading. Even with later turning and forming cases for rifles, none were as challenging as this first double rifle.

    As GOEX is now out of business and Cartridge hasn't been available for decades I had to find a different powder. I expect Swiss could be made to work but it is prohibitively expensive. GOEX Old Eyensford DID work but.....there's the GOEX thing again. I have a surfeit of Schuetzen Ffg and Fffg. Duplexed over SR-4759, Ffg Schuetzen gives near identical results to the old GOEX cartridge. So, I'm set for life.

    I have since acquired better, more powerful and more accurate doubles, (but not by much!!). However, this first old Goldmann will be setting in my safe with my Shiloh Sharps when all others are gone. I thought I had more pictures but they must be on my desk top computer.

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  • #2
    Hello

    Edmund Goldmann, gunsmith, Erfurt

    1875 - no Goldmann in Erfurt

    1876 – Johannesstrasse 9

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    1880 – Paulstrasse 15
    1882 – Johannesfl. 2 m.
    1883 – he may have been in Erfurt this year. 1884 he is not to be found, at least not in Erfurt.

    I would not mind further images. Obviously there are no proof marks, unless Belgian, but the double rifle may have some other marking that may point to the double rifle's origin. Goldmann may have added some work to the thing but I do not believe he was behind the entire thing.


    Peter
    Last edited by algmule; 10-26-2023, 04:43 PM.

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    • #3
      It isn't Belgian, that I know. As far as other marks I'll have to look, I don't remember. The only thing on the rib is "E Goldmann in Erfurt", in gold, imagine that....lol. There is also two gold bands at the breech. Ah...and they can be seen.

      Edit:
      I just had the barrels off and there is the number 436 on one of the locking lugs and on the right barrel, near the barrel flat, is a single letter S. That is all that's on the piece. When I first got the piece, of an evening I would sit in my recliner with a magnifying glass just looking at the detail of the engraving. I do not recall ever seeing any kind of identifying marks in it.

      I'm on my desk top and I do have a few more pictures. I'm afraid they aren't much.

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      Last edited by sharps4590; 10-26-2023, 06:50 PM.

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      • #4
        I had no idea if Goldmann was the maker or merely the retailer. From what I've learned about the German firearms industry of the era either or wouldn't have surprised me. From your info I'm very inclined to agree, he was probably the retailer. I've owned that rifle close to 30 years and never knew anymore about Goldmann than what was on the rib. I suppose the information provided doesn't appear to be much but, to me it's like volumes. Thank you.
        Last edited by sharps4590; 10-27-2023, 01:21 AM.

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        • #5
          Hello

          Here are a couple of further “what’s to know” about Edmund Goldmann.


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          Reason he was not in Erfurt after 1882-83 is he moved to Melchendorf bei Erfurt. He sold a fox-terrier there in 1894. Apparently, he was also dealing in dogs. He attended a dog show in Vienna in 1881 and received a bronze medal. Not known what dog he attended with.

          Last note I have on Goldmann is he is working as a forester in/around Erfurt. Maybe he moved back to Erfurt.


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          EDIT: yes, he moved back to Erfurt: "Edmund Goldmann, Privat-F?rster, Br?hlerstrasse 15, Erfurt (1897)."

          Peter

          The above post is what I posted before sharps 4590's (Vic I believe) last post. I do not know what happened. Sometimes things just happen when dealing with computers. I was trying to change the images that were visible without logging in on the forum. Apparently, I did something I should not have done. Sorry.

          Peter
          Last edited by algmule; 11-07-2023, 11:37 PM.

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          • #6
            That is weird, Peter. I saw that post because I distinctly remember the part about the fox terrier, the Vienna show and him moving back to Erfurt and now it's gone. Strange indeed.

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            • #7
              Hello

              I blame myself for having deleted the post. Not intentionally, though. Let us say I was working above my computer skills. Still strange that images are showing up without having to be logged in/on. Can anyone confirm that images are showing without being logged in/on? Maybe this AI I have heard so much about lately is to blame. Time to put up fierce resistance if that is the case. AI would have to grapple with SO, sm?l?ndsk obstinacy......

              Not that it would mean anything to your double rifle but I happen to know that Edmund Goldmann in 1881 owned a dog by the name Hector II. I believe it was a German pointer dog. Setter?

              Peter

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