C. Leberecht Amberg

[Thantos]

Hello All,
Here is the third gun I am trying to identify from my fathers collection. Looking for the same info as before, Year of Manufacture, any history possible, Gauge/Caliber and value. I hope the pictures do it justice. Please let me know if there are any questions. And once again thanks for all the help in advance. Also any word, sentence or phrase translations would be great.

1). C. Leberecht Amberg - Is this the company or gunsmith?
2). Krupp Stahl - Is this the type of steel?
3). Gussstahl Krupp Essen - Translation please?
4). Nitro - does this mean it was proofed using modern powder or something else?
5). There is a plaque on the butt stock, "D.P.R. No. 2008, C. Leberecht Amberg" - any idea what this means?

Thanks, Gene

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[mike ford]

Gene,
C.Leberecht from Amberg was the gunsmith that marketed the drilling. Krupp Stahl from Essen was the manufacturer of the steel used in the barrels. Gussstahl means fluid steel and was the name of the alloy used in the barrels. The word Nitro means it was proofed for smokeless powder. The word being written in script(rather than block letters) indicates the gun was proofed in Zella-Mehlis, and was likely manufactured in the area(it could have been finished somewhere else, such as Amberg).The number on the plaque shows patent protection for something. I can't tell from the photos,for sure, but it reminds me of a retractable sling.I can't say it is that, because I can't see how it would be attached to the front swivel. There were a lot of photographs, but the most important was oriented so that I couldn't make out the essential information. The numbers in the proof marks would indicate the caliber, date of proof and maybe (as in this case), where it was proofed. I can makeout a "57", which together with the 14.6gram steel jacketed bullet(St.m.g.) indicates it is chambered for 8x57 IR, which would likely be shown by a 7.7 or 7.8 over the 57. The numbers under this would show the date and a ledger number(another indication of Zella-Mehilis). Others on this site can find what the patent protects. When asking for ID, please be sure the photos clearly show the avaliable information. I hope you find this helpful.
Mike
Gene,
I missed the fact that there was another page of photos. The numbers were clearly shown on this page. The caliber marking of 7.8x57(the R wasn't shown at this time) was confirmed. The drilling was proofed in March of 1926, the 333 is the Z-M ledger number.
Mike

[Thantos]

Mike,
Thanks for all the great info ! ! ! I think you are right about the retractable sling, as when you pull it out it will retract about 3" or so. There was a leather sling that was on the gun, I removed it for the pictures. The retractable part is pretty neat but I am not sure what its actual purpose was, I am guessing comfort while carrying?

Gene

[mike ford]

Gene,
I guess if someone looks up the patent number for you(Jon-Axel?), you can find out what it covers. If I were a betting man, I would bet that the retractable sling was intended to be full length and broke off. As always, I can be wrong.
Mike

[Axel E]

Carl Leberecht, Untere Nabburger Str.30 (now 16), Amberg, Bavaria, 1848-1933, was a very inventive man with several patents (DRP) and protected designs (DRGM) to his name. Obviously, as usual, he had the guns built to his design by the Suhl and Zella-Mehlis guntrade. The shop remained in business. I remember the then owner of Karl Leberecht KG, gunsmith Fritz Schachtl being killed by a robber in 2004.
In 1911 Carl Lebercht, together with major Georg Angerer, patented his "Ideal - Sicherung" safety and incorporated it in his "Victoriagewehr ™" guns. This is what you have on your drilling. German DRP number is 237520, Austrian patent # 52801, so 2008 may be a patent use number. The sling swivel is linked by a lever and pushrod to a safety slide inside the lockwork. If the gun is carried slung over the shoulder, the sling swivel is pulled out by the weight of the gun and sets the gun on safe by blocking the locks, independent of the position of the safety slide.