1908 Mannlicher

[yamoon]

I?ve decided against the Herold. I am looking at a 1908 Mannlicher, it is advertised as 8x56. Was this cartridge chambered in the 1908? If so, the rifle would have a .329 bore. The rifle has had a set of claw mounts added at a later date, would this weaken the action to any extent? Anything else I should know about the 1908.
Thanks Mike

[Axel E]

Obviously you confuse the M1908 8x56 Mannlicher - Schoenauer (rimless) and the 8x56R M30S Mannlicher (rimmed, completely different case). The 8x56R uses .329" bullets indeed, while the 8x56 M-S has a max bullet diameter of .325". Most M1908 Mannlicher Schoenauers shoot common 8 mm S = .323" bullets just fine. On the negative side, the 8x56 has a base Diameter slightly smaller than the standard 8x57 or .30-06 base, .464" vs .470". Depending on the individual rifle, you may have to swage down the base of standard size brass slightly to make it fit your chamber.

As the old European claw or snap Mounts on Mannlicher-Schoenauers were made and fitted individually by many gunsmithes, the ways of mounting the front base on the receiver ring or Barrel differ from rifle to rifle. Only if a dovetail in the receiver ring is cut as deep as the barrel threads are exposed in the bottom of the cut, action strength is seriously affected.

[algmule]

Hello

Yes, the 1908 was chambered in 8x56 MS.

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Kind regards
Peter

[mike ford]

yamoon,
Mike,
Due to manufacturing tolerances, it is very likely you can use 8x57 cases to load 8x56 MS ammo. The .470" mentioned by Axel is the maximum allowed and I find most( practically all) 8mm cases are less than this, usually .465-.468". At the same time, the .464" mentioned would be the minimum diameter of the chamber, and most would be a few thousandths larger. Also, if you already have 8x57 dies, you can likely use them to load 8x56 MS ammo, with out modifying the die, only readjusting it and trimming the cases. If the die must be adjusted, the adjustment needed is small and easy to do, while leaving the die useable for 8x57. As Axel already stated, American jacketed bullets are useable for hunting ; also cast bullets can be sized to what ever diameter you need. A great many Deer have been taken with cast bullets.
Mike

[yamoon]

Thanks Axel, Peter, Mike
As you probably know from my posts, I am primarily a schuetzen shooter, have been for 35 years. After joining GCCA and seeing all those pictures, I decided I needed a Mauser sporter. I have 2 98s enjoy them both. Everyone I talk too says the Mannlicher is much smoother operating action. The only other rifle that I lust after is a system ideal in 9.3x72. I have been unable to find one for a reasonable price. I did shoot a small deer several years ago with a system ideal 8.15x46, 185 gr cast, after having to finish it at close range, I decided not to use anything less than 9.3 on Kansas white tails, the extra slug weight & diameter would be more humane. My last 3 deer have been taken with the Mauser rifles, the 8x57 has become my favorite deer cartridge.
Thanks again Mike

[yamoon]

I am considering a 1910 Mannlicher in 9.5x57. I don?t need that much gun for deer, but I thinking a cast bullet of .379 diameter and 270-300 grain would work on deer. There is one on Gun broker, I don?t like the fact that a recoil pad has been added or the stock has been refinished. What should I know about this model Mannlicher or cartridge?
Thanks Mike

[algmule]

Hello

Mike,
I don't know if the following is helpful. It's from a 1928 article.

"Die Visiere aller Jagdstutzen bestehen normal aus einem Standvisier, das f?r Schutzenfernungen bis 200 Schritte oder Meter ausreicht, und einer umlegbaren Klappe f?r 300 Schritte oder Meter. Ueber besonderen Wunsch k?nnen die Hochrasanz-Jagdstutzen [this would be the post 1924-25 rifles in 30-06, 8x60 and 7x64] auch mit drei umlegbaren Klappen ausgef?hrt werden, _ _ _ _ _ _"

"Das Korn der Jagdstutzen ist ein Perlkorn mit Silberpunkt. _ _ _ _ _"

(If the customer wished the rifles were delivered with mounted scopes, mount was a see through one) "Alle Gattungen von Jagdstutzen werden auch mit Zielfernrohr geliefert; _ _ _ _ _"

(If ordered the customer could get a Diopter in the stock) "Auf Bestellung werden s?mtliche Jagdstutzen auch mit einem Diopter ausgestattet, das hinten am Kolbenhals umlegbar angeordnet ist und auf zwei Schutzenfernungen eingestellt werden kann. _ _ _ _ _ _"

"Die Jagdstutzen werden allgemein mit Doppelz?ngelstecher, auf verlangen aber auch nur mit einfachem Druckpunktabzuge geliefert. _ _ _ _ _ _"

"Die L?ufe s?mtliche Jagdstutzen werden aus erstklassigem Gewehrlaufstahl mit Wolframzusatz hergestellt, auf besonderen Wunsch auch aus B?hler-Antinitstahl Rostsicher" (if ordered barrels with B?hler non-rusting steel could be had). _ _ _ _ _ _

"Die gew?hnlichen Jagdstutzen werden mit folgenden Laufl?ngen ausgef?hrt: Kaliber 6.7 mm mit 45, 50 oder 57 cm, Kaliber 8.2 und 9 mm mit 50 oder 57 cm, Kaliber 9.5 mm mit 50 oder 60 cm; die Hochrasanz-Jagdstutzen mit Laufl?ngen von 60 oder 70 cm. Als Normalausf?hrung gilt jeweils die k?rzeste Laufl?nge. Auf bestellung werden die Jagdstutzen auch mit L?ufen mit durchgehender Visierschiene geliefert. _ _ _ _ _"

"Der Schaft aller Jagdstutzen wird aus vollkommen ausgetrocknetem Nu?holz gefertigt, ist mit Backe und Pistolengriff samt Hornk?ppchen ausgestattet und besitzt an der Kolbenkappe Ausnehmungen - f?r zwei Reservpatronen und einen vierteiligen Stahlwischstock - , welche durch eine gemeinsame Klappe abgeschlossen werden." The stock for the models up until the Hochrazanz-rifles was full stock but could be ordered different."

I hope I got the above correct. The little linguist inside of me is not up to scratch today. I apologize. Below is an ad for the model 1910

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I can't help with the cartridge as I have no experience of it.

EDIT: (again) I may have got this see through mount wrong. I'm currently feeding my inner linguist coffee. See if that helps.

Another EDIT: bullet for the 9,5x57 is given (1928) as a softpoint roundnose projectile weighing in at 17,6 gram with a length of 26,3 mm. With Austrian smokeless powder Nr. III (3,4 g) in a 60 cm barrel it left the muzzle at a speed of 678 m/sec.

Kind regards
Peter

[mike ford]

yamoon-
The 9.5x57 is the same as the British 375- 2 1/4". It is a fine caliber, but if it is more than you want you could load it "down". I would think 38-55 bullets loaded down to 38-55 velocity would be about what you are looking for and the 38-55 bullets would work well at that velocity.
Mike

[sharps4590]

I have a 1908 and my load is a 200 gr. cast bullet at about 1800 fps. I don't remember what powder I load but I'll check later. I've not taken a deer with that rifle/load but given past experience I wouldn't have the least concern in using it.