Max Knoll

[Igor]

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[chapmen]

always an pleasure to go on your side!!!!!!

BTW: do you have any info about the "Universal" OU by Wendel / Ulm?

[Igor]

Hi, Chapmen,
I saw your post and shotgun on nitroexpress.com Unfortunately, I didn`t specifically research Wendel. I think it's better to go to the archive https://www.deutsche-digitale-biblio...FYRTLL32IDX65Q
Regards, Igor
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[algmule]

Igor,
I don?t know if the following is of interest or if it's helpful but I?m posting it anyway.

April 1896: Die Gewehrfabrikanten J.P. Sauer & Sohn zu Suhl haben der Provinzial-Steuerdirection in K?ln k?rzlich angezeigt, dass von ihren Concurrenten in L?ttich, inbesondere den dortigen Firmen Jean Heinen und August Leue seit einiger Zeit doppell?ufige Jagdgewehre nach Deutschland verkauft und versandt w?rden, welche unerlaubter Weise der Aufschrift tr?gen ?Specialstahllauf von Friedr. Krupp in Essen?, obgleich der Fabrikant Krupp vertragsm?ssig den obengenannten Fabrikanten Sauer & Sohn allein die Erlaubniss zu solcher Bezeichnung (Stempelung) von Jagdgewehrl?ufen und zwar aus einer ganz besonderen und neuen Stahlart hergestellt, ?bertragen habe.........

1909: D.R.G.M. 419 210 DoppellaufVerbindung. Max Knoll, L?ttich. (I don?t know when it was applied for so 1909 is the year of the publication of Schuss und Waffe I found it in.)

1910: Telephone number 171. Address. Herrenstra?e (no number given), Suhl. Strangely, he does not seem to have resided in Suhl. On Herrenstra?e 26 was Rohrh?ndler R. Bornm?ller & Co.

1913: an ad says: Max Knoll, L?ttich Filiale Suhl: Herrenstr.[a?e] 26 Fabrik moderner Luxuswaffen. He is listed as owning a Gewehrhandlung at Herrenstra?e 26, Suhl but did not reside there, or anywhere else in Suhl it seems. At Herrenstra?e 26 was Rich.[ard] Bornm?ller & Co (Gewehrfabrikation), Inhaber Ernst Hilmar Bornm?ller and also the owner of the property. At the address was also Walter Bornm?ller.

1920: In das Handelsregister A ist unter Nr. 807 [possibly 307] heute die Firma Max Knoll in Suhl, offene Handelsgesellschaft, und als deren Gesellschafter: Fr?ulein Erna Knoll in Suhl, Kaufmann Alexender Knoll in Amsterdam und Kaufmann Eduard Knoll in Suhl eingetragen. Dem Kaufmann Max Knoll in Suhl ist Prokura erteilt. Die Gesellschaft hat am 1. Januar 1920 begonnen. Zur Vertretung der Gesellschaft ist jeder Gesellschafter allein erm?chtigt mit Ausnahme der Eingehung von Wechselverbindlichkeiten. Die Uebernahme der vor dem 1. Januar 1920 entstandenen Handelsschulden auf die offene Handelsgesellschaft ist ausgeschlossen. (300?5). Das Amtsger.[icht] Suhl, den 1? Juli 1920.

1923: Max Knoll, Waffengro?handlung, Werkzeuge en gros, Potsdamerstra?e 43, Berlin

1924: M. Knoll, Waffenhandlung [Waffenfabrikant], Potsdamerstra?e 43, Berlin.

1925: Max Knoll, Waffenhandlung, was at the address Markt 13, Suhl. At that address was also Gustav Genschow & Co A-G. Owner of the property was Curt Steigleder. Below is a Max Knoll ad from 1925

MaxKnollSuhl.jpg

1928: Both Max (Fabrikant) and Alexander Knoll are in Suhl. Different addresses. Both are listed in the Handelsregister for Suhl as owner of a/[the] business but it?s not stated what they were actually doing. Another source tells that they were involved in Gewehrgro?handlung and/or busied themselves with peddling guns by mail order. The business is listed as being on Langebr?cke 19 but there was no Knoll-company there. I don't know but 1928 could be the last year Max Knoll was in Suhl. A couple of years later,1931-32, the Inhaber of Max Knoll, Waffenhandlung, is given as a B?hm. Address was still Langebr?cke 19. Again, I don?t know but a fair guess would be Walter B?hme, Kaufmann, and that a typo occurred. See below for the year 1938.

1938: Max Knoll, listed under Waffen- und Munitionsgesch?fte, Inhaber Walter B?hme, Kaufmann, Lutterothstra?e 4. After this year I have nothing on any Knoll establishment.

Interesting trade marks on the catalogue pages. I wonder if MK is the same as we sometimes see on guns. MAKO I assume is for Max Knoll. EMKA is somewhat unclear, however, my uneducated guess is Eduard/Max/Knoll/Amsterdam? or something the like.

EDIT: tried to sort out the Umlauts and the double S. It didn't work.
EDIT: spelling.

Kind regards
Peter

[algmule]

Hello

This is the marking I mentioned in the above post
KnollMax.JPG

I've been informed it's for Max Kober. Now I'm not so sure. Might just as well be for Max Knoll.

Kind regards
Peter

[Igor]

Peter, many thanks. With your permission, I will check this information. Please, could you give links to sources? Especially regarding Handelsregister. I would greatly appreciate. Kind regards, Igor

[algmule]

Hello

KnollMax1920.jpg

Kind regards
Peter

[Igor]

Peter, many thanks again. Igor

[Igor]

Peter, please see the private message

[algmule]

Hello

I dug in a bit on Walter B?hme. At the same time as he is listed as Inhaber of a Waffen- und Munitionsgesch?fte (konzessionierte="licensed") he is also listed as Kaufmann, Angestellter (employee I assume). Was he running the Knoll business the McDonalds way?

Kind regards
Peter

[Igor]

Peter, I don`t know and I don`t think he ran a Knoll`s business. Maybe permission or license for gun trade

[algmule]

Hello

B?hmeKnoll.JPG

Kind regards
Peter

[Igor]

Hello, Peter. I see Knoll, Max, Inhaber Walter Boehme, Lutterothstrasse 4. Inhaber = owner, not a manager, supervisor or factor. It is very interesting which year this inscription belongs to.
Regards,
Igor

[algmule]

Hello

Igor,
1938. B?hme is also for that year mentioned as Kaufmann (businessman) and as "Angestellter" which my poor knowledge of German makes out to be employee. I will make a last effort to see if I may find more on Knoll and B?hme.

Kind regards
Peter

[Igor]

Peter, I think "Angestellter" is an employee or clerk