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[mike ford]

kcordell,
In most cases, I would say no. In this case, maybe. Note the 17,7BL. I think this stands for a 17.7 gram lead bullet. Of the two possible cartridges( 11.15x65R Schutzen/Express/Lancaster, and 11.15x65R Stahl Express ), the 11.15x65R Schutzen normally had a lead bullet, and the other used a jacketed bullet. Of course, this is not positive. To be sure, measurements are needed. The casehead diameter of the Schutzen is about .465", which fits a 9.3x74R case very well. The head diameter of the Stahl is about .510", which fits 45-2.6" pretty well. Required bullet diameter would depend on slugging the barrel, but would be from .438" to .446".
Mike

[m-4]

KC,
If you cast your chamber & bore size, send me a sketch with the dimensions & I will check it against several factory originals that I have in my collection & provide you with a size comparison.

m-4

[kcordell]

That's quite nice if you. Ok I will try to do this.

[sharps4590]

kc, you have a private message about black powder.

[Axel E]

sharps4590:" First thing I want to ask is was there two, (or more!!) 9.3 X 82R's?"
Yes, there were! Dixon describes four cartridges named such:
9.3x82R E(nglish): .429" base, .484" rim, straight taper
9.3x82R D(eutsch): .433" base, .492" rim, rapid taper first, then near cylindrical. These two cartridges share dimensions with the respective E and D shape 9.3x72R.
(9.3x72R Normalized, recent RWS make: .425" base, .483" rim)
9.3x82R Nimrod, .435" base, .492" rim, very slight bottleneck.
9.3x82R Jung, a rare Austrian cartridge offered by Peterlongo only: .540" base, .622" rim
(for comparison 9.3x74R CIP max case: .468" base, .525" rim)
Load and ballistic data is very rare. The 1910 Burgsmueller and Stukenbrok catalogs still list the blackpowder loads:
9.3x72R: 54 gr "Nassbrand #3", a slow-burning rifle black powder, behind a 230 gr hard lead bullet.
9.3X82R (which one, D, E, or Nimrod? Does not matter much IMHO) 69 gr
"Nassbrand #3" behind the same 230gr lead bullet. Velocities not given.
The interwar RWS 1921 still lists the 9.3x82R D and Nimrod shapes, but with the same "Nitro for Black" loads: 197 gr copper jacket in front of 30.9 "P" (pistol?) powder and 182 gr "Schrader" steel core, lead and copper jacketed bullet in front of 45gr R5.
RWS 1934 and 1937 only lists the 193 gr copper jacket load and the Nimrod case with "same ballistics as 9.3x72R", mv. 2034 fps.
This is all I found regarding the 9.3x82R at this time.

[sharps4590]

Thank you Axel! Interesting, and evidently duplication of cartridge names, or nearly so, is an international thing. No wonder newcomers are often confused.

[mike ford]

Vic,Axel,
"No wonder newcomers........confused", some pretty old farts get confused too. In my opinion, the same case can be used for 3 of them (not the Peterlongo). I suspect measuring chambers would add to the confusion- a "E" chamber(.429cart. head size)could be large enough to look like a "D"chamber(.433 cart.head size).Sometimes comparing specifications for cartridge dimensions to actual measurements of the chambers leads to confusion, because under the best of circumstances the chamber has to be larger than the cartridge. When you add in 120 year old tolerances, the differences may be even larger. A 9.3x82R Peterlongo chamber would be pretty problematical to find bress for, however.
Mike

[mike ford]

Vic,Axel,
"No wonder newcomers........confused", some pretty old farts get confused too. In my opinion, the same case can be used for 3 of them (not the Peterlongo). I suspect measuring chambers would add to the confusion- a "E" chamber(.429cart. head size)could be large enough to look like a "D"chamber(.433 cart.head size).Sometimes comparing specifications for cartridge dimensions to actual measurements of the chambers leads to confusion, because under the best of circumstances the chamber has to be larger than the cartridge. When you add in 120 year old tolerances, the differences may be even larger. A 9.3x82R Peterlongo chamber would be pretty problematical to find bress for, however.
when you accidently "click" twice, this "thing" won't let you delete one of them. Mike

[sharps4590]

"some pretty old farts get confused too"....guilty as charged!!! I suppose I can now claim "old fart" status as I have officially been over 6 decades as of last Thursday. I'm equally guilty of double posting on occasion, but in your case it is a good post and worth reading twice!!!

[Axel E]

I certainly qualify as an old fart too: As a little Anton entered this world today at 7 am I am a grandfather. Because of old age, 65, I will be a retired forester with an old dog on May1.

[sharps4590]

Congratulations Axel. Is this the first grandchild?

[mike ford]

I certainly qualify as an old fart too: As a little Anton entered this world today at 7 am I am a grandfather. Because of old age, 65, I will be a retired forester with an old dog on May1.

Axel,
Congratulations for the grandson. Like my Dad said "One grandbaby is worth three of your own children". I did find out though, when they get over 6 feet tall and play Guard on the Highschool Championship football team, they won't sit on your lap anymore. Old dogs, old guns, and old whiskey(Sour Mash) are good.
Waidmannsheil,
Mike