Simson Drilling

[hendrik]

Richard Schilling has make the ornate engravinngs for a lot of gun companies from Suhl, but he make also simply engravings for sauer, Simsom prewar and post war also for another companies.

This is one oicture of the bottom of my old sauer o/u combination gun...




Greetings Hendrik

[hendrik]

the same gun.....

[hendrik]

...this is my sauer sidelock double rifle drilling with Nirosta barrels and ejektor--- and 2 diffrend safetys..
..also with Richard Schilling engraving.
Greetings

[kcordell]

Wow! Beautiful work and fantastic examples of great firearms! Does this look like Schilling work as well?

[hendrik]

Hello kcordell, its a very nice gun.
The engraving is not from R.Schhilling, its complete another style...
Can you find the name of the gunmaker o n the gun?
--or his sign ?
please make pictures of all stamps on the barrell and action...
I think the gun is made between 1900 and 1910?
can you make please better pictures from the bottom and fron the other side?

Greetings Hendrik

[kcordell]

Hendrik, there are no marks of identification anywhere on the gun...big mystery. The bottom and barrel photo below is all I have.

[hendrik]

Hello Kcordell,
thanks for the pictures.
I dont know , but i have a feeling , maybe this is a oold early Drilling from the Merkel Brothers.
if you can received more pictures, maybe we can find old merkel stamps on the action face and on the side from the barells lump....
The engraving is not from Schilling, its not so bad, but Schilliong was better.

Greetings Hendrik

[mike ford]

KCordell,
I noted this drilling is marked 118,35. This is a common marking for 9.3x72R rifles ( but others also). The comments I just made concerning loading for your Collath( another thread) would pretty much apply to this drilling also.
Mike

[mike ford]

KCordell,
Above comment duplicated and I couldn't delete.

[kcordell]

I think I may have discovered with the help of vol. 50 Waidmannsheil issue the maker of the Simson drilling I posted about earlier. It looks like a Christopher Funk...what do you think?

[Jim Cate]

No, it would still have been SIMSON at that time (4/30). By early 1934 Simson became BSW and later still, Gustloff. Jim

[kcordell]

So you think Simson and Funk made guns this similar? I was thinking that Simson may have rebranded the Funk quality arms. I guess it's possible. I just have not seen any Simson similar to one one I have.

[ellenbr]

I'm lost as to which the pre-1912 marks might belong. I do not think this is the same Simson sporting weapon as the 1st page? E.S. is going to be someone like Ed. Schilling or Ernst Stoll. Any other marks near the forend hanger, standing breech or water table?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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[kcordell]

Raimey your looking at the wrong gun. Look t the first post on page one.

[Steve Whitley]

Venus BSW Mauser signatures.jpgThe name "Berlin-Suhler Waffen- und Fahrzeugwerke G.m.b.H." was still in use late in 1938, as seen in this contract signature page (with signatures from Dr. Herbert Hoffmann and Werner Heynen). The official incorporation of the arms factory at Suhl into the Gustloff Stiftung was in effect by early 1939.
Steve