Imman. Meffert Registry

[germanguns1234]

I would like to start a serial number registry for Meffert, if one does not already exist, like those the Jim Cate and Jon Speed have for Sauer and Mauser. This can be done anonymously by emailing sales at germanguns. com. The last two digits can be XX, if you like. But we should have the serial number, proof date or marks, and a brief description.
If there is some response, it can be posted on a google spreadsheet or on a page on the website.

[C. Roger Bleile]

Jon,

That sounds like a worthwhile project. I'll send you what I have when I get a chance. You might consider posting on Double Gun BBS as well.

Roger

[Jim Cate]

Hi guys! Just a mute point: Put the entire serial number (no XXs) as you will soon find out over a period of time you will have 2 or 3 guns with the same serial number because of the XX situation. My motto regarding serial numbers has been simple: all of it or none of it! Thanks much, Jim Cate

[Axel E]

Just for a start I post some Immanuel Meffert guns with their numbers right here. But a few warnings at first: The well-known Immanuel was not the only gunmaking Meffert in Germany. there were also a Johann and a paul in Suhl, a Gustav in Suhl-Heinrichs and a Max in Berlin. So the same care is in order as with the different Merkels, Heyms, Anschuetz, Funks and so on.
Also, Immanuel Meffert may have numbered the "Hubertus safety guns" marked with forester Franz Feist's 1879 DRPatent 7142 in an independent series, "patent use numbers" if you like. Only a sufficient database of Immanuel Meffert serial numbers will show.

# 568: This is the earliest Hubertus gun I know. A 16 gauge double with Damascus barrels. No proofmarks, made well before 1893. The triggerplate lockwork still very much resembles the original Feist design a shown in the 7142 patent drawings.


# 1094: This is my family heirloom, once bought new by my grandfather's grandfather, so I am the fifth generation to use it. Made and bought in 1893according to family tradition, evidenced too by the crown/V Vorratszeichen on the action, struck only on completed guns in store in March 1893, readyfor sale. The original 16 bore damascus barrels were smashed by a GI in 1945 so the gun is shown with the interchangeable 6.5x52R aka .25-35 Win /16-70 cape gun barrels my grandfather had made by Krausser in Zella-Mehlis in 1940. This gun has the usual Meffert -Hubertus lockwork as shown in post-1900 catalogs, still marked with the "DRP 7142" of the long expired 1879 patent.

[Axel E]

# 46550: A hammer double rifle in 9.3x72R, no proof date, but post-1912 Suhl proofmarks.


# 49493: An over-under combination gun, two sets of pre-1940 Suhl proofmarks, both without a date. The shot barrel is 16 bore. The rifle barrel was first proofed as an 8x57R360, a short time later rebored and reproofed to 9.3x72R. Triggerplate locks, double underbolting and a doll's head without a third bite. The scope is a postwar addition.

[C. Roger Bleile]

Here's a Meffert "Hubertus" drilling. Can anyone tell me something about the scope mount in the rib. I've never seem one like that. What kind of rings would attach to it?

[C. Roger Bleile]

Some more. Do the proofs indicate the rifle barrel is chambered for 8x57 IR (.318)?

[mike ford]

Roger,
The proof does indicate 8x57IR, at this time (July 1933), 8x57R/360 would be highly unlikely and IRS would have been marked 7.9 or 7.92. You might still be able to use IRS ammo anyway.If a .323" bullet slides into a fired,unsized,case w/o interference; you can likely use IRS ammo with no problem. If you "slug" the barrel, you will likely find it to be larger than .318" groove diameter anyway.
Mike

[C. Roger Bleile]

Gentlemen,

I'm still hoping that someone can tell me something about the scope rail on my Meffert drilling (above) and what kind of rings or mount goes with it.

Thanks,
Roger

[ellenbr]

Ford with the 13 gram bullet weight, I'm skeptical of the IR. I think that the lower tube(Sl) was sourced from Liege and it is possible that the tubes with the old mark of the Krupp crossed cannons may have also.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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[mike ford]

Raimey,
It's easy enough to to tell, If head diameter is around .468" it is IR, if around .427" it is /360. Chamber cast not required, this can be measured with a caliper.

Rodger, The mount/rings would be "slide on" type, although I can't ID the actual manufacturer. A mount like this will be much easier than claw mounts, in the long run. I suggest you look on the EAW (Ernst Apel Wuerzburg) or ERA (Erik Recknagle) sites for ideas, as well as Frankonia. It should be easy enough to mill a base to fit, and to which you can attach standard American Rings.
Mike

[C. Roger Bleile]

Mike and Raimey,

Thanks for your feedback. I will be posting images of my Meffert hammer gun for the registry soon.

Roger

[Büchsemann]

Roger,

Your scope rail system is called a "Greifelt-Aufschiebmontage". Please see the attached ...







The one picture is of the scope rail on the barrel of my Imann Meffert bockbuchsflinte.

Regards,

Mark

[C. Roger Bleile]

Mark,

Thanks so much for the information on the Greifelt-Aufschiebmontage. I expect that it is unlikely I'll ever find the upper part and having one machined would cost more than the gun. Nevertheless, it is good information and appreciated.

Thanks,
Roger

[mike ford]

Roger,
Don't lose hope now, it shouldn't be that bad. All you need machining for is a dovetail base/clamp, to which you can attach standard rings of your choosing. It's hard to believe there isn't a gunsmith/machine shop/hobby machinist in northern Kentucky that would like to have an engraver beholding to him. If not, come to East Alabama.
Mike