Thieme & Schlegelmilch = Meffert?

[sharps4590]

Cool old ad, Doug! 6.6 lbs. for a Vierling? wow!

I'm going to have to get my Meffert out of the safe, take some photos of the proofs and such and let you guys tell me what I really have. I'll have to agree about the 7 X 57, whether rimmed or rimless, one fine cartridge. I'm going to re-read that article tonight Mike. I keep my copies of both publications on my end table right by my recliner...too good not to just look at occasionally!

Regards the silver receiver on my Meffert, never bothered me in the least that it is reflective. When I was carrying it a lot it spent more time in its scabbard on the tractor than any place else, right there in easy reach. When cutting alfalfa, several bunnies came home with me because the drilling was close and handy, good dinners!!. We made it hot for lots of yodel dogs and sent a few to coyote heaven

Vic

[Doug Kellermann]

Vic,
The first Dural Mefferts were plain (silver colored), but later offered Annodized(?) due to demand.I think they were always avaliable silver. Note the Meffert written up in the "Drilling" issue of DER WAFFENSCHMIED, it was also originally 7X57R, until I changed it to 6.5x57R. My late friend Gene Enterkin also had one in black and 7X57R. This seems to have been a pretty popular caliber for the Dural Mefferts( it is a great caliber in any system). Also note the weights in the above advert.The Pfd.(Phund?) is half a kilogram or 500 grams.This would be about 1.1 pounds.
Mike

Hey Mike,

That is a great story about saving the gun....

my Meffert drillings are both 8x57IR but my Meffert combo is 7x57R.

The black one is identical to the one in Der Waffenschmied No 16 Winter 2002 page 20.

Doug

[sharps4590]

Hey Mike..

Once I started reading the story I remembered most of it.....but read it again anyway. It did come out very nice and I can't imagine how much fun and how much one learned while helping in the process.

Vic

[C. Roger Bleile]

Doug,

My Meffert drilling does not have the pop up sight like yours. Yours is obviously a deluxe model with the full eichenlaub engraving. I wish mine was like that.

Roger

[sharps4590]

I may have to stand corrected...which is nothing new when it comes to German firearms. I had my Meffert drilling out the other day and thought to look at the receiver for any signs of anodizing. It may well have been anodized originally. If one looks at the picture of my drilling, inside the scallops on both sides of the operating lever pin there is what appears to be traces of anodizing. It looked as it does in the pictures when I received it so I don't know if it was anodized, if it was worn off or buffed off. I also took note of the name on the rib and while I don't recall the name the town was Braunschweig. I also checked the Meffert name and the first is Imman, not Inman.

Vic

[xausa]

With an added rifle barrel this is the the best replacement for the normal double shotgun, without excess weight.

Perhaps a slightly better translation would be, "With a rifle lock safety, this is the best substitute for the normal double shotgun, without additional weight."

I believe the thrust of the rather awkward sentence is that because the rifle barrel remains on safe until manually released, the shot barrels can be used with no risk of accidentally discharging it, and the total weight is no greater than a side by side double.

I don't know whether this implies a separate rifle barrel cocking system, which was available pre-War at least from Krieghoff, Sauer & Sohn and Greifelt, or some other mechanism I am unaware of.

[mike ford]

xausa,
Your translation is better. I don't believe it indicates separate cocking, that would be "separater kugel spannung"(sp?). I believe it means the safety blocks the rifle's lock, rather than just the sear.
Mike

[xausa]

Still, I have never heard of a system where the shot barrel safety can be released without releasing the safety of the rifle barrel, unless it would be gesonderte Kugelspannung.

[mike ford]

Xausa,
I don't know either,unless the selector also blocks the lock. Maybe Axel can answer the question.
Mike

[Axel E]

Mike, you are right here. The words refer to a "Wechselseitige Stangensicherung", a device that blocks the sear of the rifle barrel lock when the selector is on "shot" and vice versa. A feature now found in most postwar drillings, but a novelty in the 1920s to 30s.
New to me too: whenever examining a "Thieme&Schlegelmilch" gun have a close look at the proof date! According to Peter Ravn Lund's new book on Christoph Funk (available from the GGCA bookstore), page 46, in 1937 Funk bought up the T&S Nimrod factory. From then on T&S marked guns were made at the Funk workshops by Funk's men to Funk's designs.