New project on the way!

[sharps4590]

I haven't had the.....gumption....to do much lately, consequently I perused the gun sites.....too much. A fell oughtn't do that if he doesn't want to be parted from his cash. Found this one at a fairly decent price and am sending the MO today. Should be here next week. I doubt it will take much work as I already load for the 8.15 and the seller tells me the bore is excellent. With my other Haenel/Aydt Schutzen rifle I can at least have a two man match..... Compared to this one my other is quite plain.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101137544

[Diz]

Very nice Sharps! Looks like a beauty and with all the extras too. Can't wait to hear how it shoots. Happy New Year! Diz

[JDL]

Congratulations Sharps4590 on the very fine rifle! Looking at the pics, I believe I can see where the cheek rest of the Mannlicher-Schoenauer MCA idea was born.

[algmule]

Hello

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EDIT: was still around in 1927, at Freimarkt 15.

ANOTHER EDIT:
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Max's widow Anna is at the address Freimarkt 15 in 1936.

EDIT again: Julius Plumbohm, Siedemeister, Bahnhofstraße 236 I. No, I don't know what a Siedemeister did. Siede I believe is boil/simmer/seethe and Google Translate seems to agree with me on this one. Glad there at least is a something that agrees with me!

Kind regards
Peter

[sharps4590]

Thanks for that algmule. It's always interesting and enjoyable to learn a little more about your rifle. Maybe Axel will show up and tell us what "siedemeister" is. Thank you JDL. I'll know more when it arrives....brother....wasn't that an astute statement.....lol

Diz old friend, you know I'll keep you up to speed. Head is getting less foggy. SURELY this one is 8.15 if it has the dies with it. If they're ok I'll send these POS Hornady 8.15 dies down the road.

[Axel E]

A Siedemeister is the foreman, manager or owner of a saltwork. Salt was produced in inland Germany by boiling brine from natural salt wells in open pans to evaporate the water. So I take Julius Plumbohm as the original owner of the rifle. As there were no saltworks in Zella – Mehlis, a retired Siedemeister from one of several Thuringian saltworks, f.i. Schmalkalden, Stadtilm, may have lived there.

[mike ford]

Sharps4590,
I'm happy to see you are feeling better and feel like working new projects, you are right that loading for your other one will give you a "step up"( not that you need one), but each rifle is "a rule unto itself".
Mike

[Axel E]

As the rifle was retailed by a gunshop in Querfurt, Sachsen – Anhalt, Siedemeister J.Plumbohm more likely bought the rifle while active at one of several saltworks near Querfurt, like Saline Angersdorf, Bad Dürrenberg, Kötzschau, Teutschenthal.

[algmule]

Hello

Does anyone have any thoughts on the reproof?

There is no patent 122/1-9 that fits. There is a patent 122 on a Hinterladungs-Kanone but it doesn't seem right.

I can't really make out if it's EKB on the barrel. If it is I have two suggestions: Ernst C/Karl Bader or Ernst C/Karl Büchel but, and I stress this, they are mere suggestions. There is another marking
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Peter

[Axel E]

älgmule, look into Tom Rowe's book "Alte Scheibenwaffen Vol.1"! Carl Wilhelm Aydt's 1884 DRP # 31291 was held by the C.G.Haenel, Suhl, company. The breechblock inscription with "D.R.Patent" shows the patent was still valid. 122x is Haenel's patent use number for the action. The book also shows Haenel action numbers 172, 443, 559, 1318 with the DRP marking. As the 8.15x46R became popular after 1894 only, these early Aydt action rifles were originally in 9.5x47R most often. Obviously this rifle was rebarreled or relined to 8.15 after 1894 , hence the "Repair" proof.
sharps, you should make a chamber cast before starting load development: The auction site calls the caliber "8.15x51R". As there was a rare 8.15x52R target cartridge also, you should verify the x46R chambering first.

[Axel E]

Quote: I can't really make out if it's EKB on the barrel. If it is I have two suggestions: Ernst C/Karl Bader or Ernst C/Karl Büchel but, and I stress this, they are mere suggestions. There is another marking

I take the EKB and the other mark as Haenel factory internal worker's marks as several slightly later Haenel barrels are merked E.B. Maybe Haenel's barrelmakers? We can eliminate Bader and Büchel ., as they were Zella – Mehlis gunmakers. Below that enigmatic crown/A? mark I see faint traces of the old Haenel trademark: A "Hähnel" = little rooster, surrounded by the letters CGH, inside a circle

[sharps4590]

Trust me Axel, the first thing I do when I get a new to me, old rifle, is slug the bore and cast the chamber. I have 3 or 4 in the toy box that were not as advertised. If I remember correctly, you helped me with two of them.

[algmule]

Hello

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The only ever B-man involved with C. G. Haenel that I know of is a Herr Baestlein but that was way back in 1858. The company then was mentioned as C. G. Hänel and a Pauline Hänel seems to have been involved. From mid 1890's to early 1930's there are several Bästleins in Suhl but the only K is a Karl Bästlein, Systemmacher. Unsure, however, when he turns up. Sometime between 1912-1924 is my guess. Sorry for speculating wildly.

EDIT: sorry for off-topic, but, Axel, what is the earliest date code from Zella/Mehlis/Zella-Mehlis that you've come across?

Another EDIT: probably were some Barthelmes involved. I forgot those. See my reason for EDIT.

Peter

[Axel E]

EDIT: sorry for off-topic, but, Axel, what is the earliest date code from Zella/Mehlis/Zella-Mehlis that you've come across?
Peter

1902, on a smoothbore Flobert Tesching: