"New" 05 M/S in the safe.

[Packrattusnongratus]

Just put a nice '05 in 9X56MM in the safe. So it can keep the '03 warm. The gentleman I purchased it from sold me everything to load except powder and primers. Received bullets, a ring die to get the .358 bullets to .354, cases, loading dies, loaded ammo, and two boxes of Kynoch loads at ten to the box. I figure I better not shoot the Kynoch as it might be quite valuable to collectors. Will ask you guys. How much is the factory ammo in unmolested condition worth these days? Anyway Merry Christmas early to me. Now which one do I take to the woods in search of venison? Both of them want to go. Forgot to say there is a Griffin and Howe QD side mount with a 2.5X8 Leupold scope on it. It comes off for the open sights as it should. The open sight is a 100 and 300 meter two leaf set. Some 245 gr loads are ready to go. Guess I better get busy and caress her again tonight. Packy

[mike ford]

Packy,
You got the 03 first, "blood" it first.
Mike

[Packrattusnongratus]

Shot the '05 today. It was sweet. These are so good to carry and shoot why are most of today's guns such hogs???

[JDL]

Shot the '05 today. It was sweet. These are so good to carry and shoot why are most of today's guns such hogs???

Because only a few of us have refined tastes?

[Packrattusnongratus]

That was in jest but I'm not a gun snob. I just got lucky and fell into two good M/S buys. Both owners were quite gentlemanly. I have seen it said "May I be the man my dog thinks I am." I can only hope to be that man. Supply of the 160 gr RN in 6.5mm can be sketchy but one might try the Hawk bullets. I see they are for sale and some may be in my loads one of these days. They are here for the 9mm. Packy

[JDL]

I'm not a gun snob either, heck I have some Glocks and a Remington 788 just to prove it. All joking aside, I have been blessed and am thankful that in my later years acquiring some M/S, M.98s, CZs, and a Haenel 1909 all top quality items.

[sharps4590]

I'm not a gun snob either but.......I wish I could afford to be......

[MS9x56]

The only fair thing to do is alternate them. I have a 1905 myself and it is the best still hunting rifle I have ever carried. I have to sewage the bullets down to 354 and use Speer 200 grain. With my old eyes I can manage about 2 inches at a hundred which works just fine with me. I alternate mine with a 102 year old Remington model 14 pump rifle in another obscure no longer commercially available caliber the 30 Remington. I love these old guns and bringing them back where they belong.

[mike ford]

MS9x56
Packy Did you guys "slug" your barrels? Most 9x56 MS and 9x57 Mauser rifles actually have barrels that work with .358" bullets. The table in the back of Wiederladen( 1989 version) show the groove diameter of the 9x56 to be 9.15mm (.360") and the 9x57 to be 9.06 ( .3565"). I never slugged a 9x56 barrel, but the 9x57 I have now, the one I had before, and a couple others belonging to friends, all slugged .358" or close to it. Based on this swaging .358" bullets may not be necessary and they may perform better anyway. You can also check to see if a .358 bullet will easily slip into a fired( unsized) case, If it will you can use that diameter bullets. The 30 Rem. caliber rifle I have is the Standard Arms Mod "M", even more obscure than the mod 14 Remington.
Mike

[yamoon]

I don’t consider myself a gun snob, like sharps4590 I can’t afford to be. I purchased a B Mauser sporter 2 years ago, it slugs .321. I have tried 2 different 32 caliber bullets, lucky to group 4 inches at a 100 yards. I noticed considerable copper fouling. I am now trying to clean it up. I love blued steel & walnut guns. My resent addition to the gun room is an MS MCA in 243, I am not that fond of the caliber, but I just couldn’t pass it up, no scratches or wear in the blue only a few handling marks in the wood. It was made in 1963. I have been shooting stop ring lead bullets out of old German schuetzen rifles for 35 years, so I am having to relearn reloading all over again.
Mike

[MS9x56]

MS9x56
Packy Did you guys "slug" your barrels? Most 9x56 MS and 9x57 Mauser rifles actually have barrels that work with .358" bullets. The table in the back of Wiederladen( 1989 version) show the groove diameter of the 9x56 to be 9.15mm (.360") and the 9x57 to be 9.06 ( .3565"). I never slugged a 9x56 barrel, but the 9x57 I have now, the one I had before, and a couple others belonging to friends, all slugged .358" or close to it. Based on this swaging .358" bullets may not be necessary and they may perform better anyway. You can also check to see if a .358 bullet will easily slip into a fired( unsized) case, If it will you can use that diameter bullets. The 30 Rem. caliber rifle I have is the Standard Arms Mod "M", even more obscure than the mod 14 Remington.
Mike

Mike I did slug my 05 as I had purchased some loaded ammo made from 35 Whelen brass with 358 spritzer bullets. When fired they produced sticky bolt lift. I slugged the barrel and found it was 354. I also blued the cases and found my chamber to be tight also. I ordered some 9x56 brass from Quality cartridge that solved my issues. On top of both those issues I had intermittent feeding issues with spritzer bullets. Since feeding it nothing but round nose bullets have had no feeding issues. It is a delightful hunting rifle. I handled one of the standard arm Mod M rifles at a gun show but the MS has spoiled me I fear as it just felt clunky to me.

[MS9x56]

Mike have you ever fired your Mod M in semi auto mode?

[mike ford]

MS9x56,
The Mod M doesn't have a simi- auto mode. It is "pump" only, the "m" is for" manual ". The Mod G ( "gas") is the one that is both simi-auto and pump. It is easy to tell them apart, the Mod M doesn't have the gas tube ahead of the forearm. The recent article about Standard Arms rifles showed only the Mod G, even though the author mentioned the pump only model .
Mike

[MS9x56]

I wish I had bought one of the Browning pump rifles when they were available as I enjoy hunting with the pump style but the model 14 serves just fine at the ranges I am shooting. I didn’t realize they chambered any other than remingtons in the 30 and 32 calibers.

[mike ford]

I don't shoot pumps very well, I am naturally left handed, but my right eye is the master eye so things get confusing. For practical purposes, a pump for me is a single shot. As far as the 30 Rem. is concerned, it is a capable cartridge, as is the 32 Rem.
Mike