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    Here is a German Military training rifle in 22lr single shot configuration. Another piece that my father brought back from Germany post WWII 1945. I earned my Boy Scout rifle marksmanship badge with this one in mid 1960s. I’m not positively sure of the manufacturer, possibly someone among the forum could enlighten me and others on this.

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    More pics in next post
    Last edited by ScatterHobo; 07-01-2018, 07:42 PM.

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    Pics continued.
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    Is possibly Roechlingstahl a manufacturer?

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    • #3
      Roechling was the manufacturer of the steel(stahl) used to make the barrel. I expect Steve will offer additional very interesting information about your rifle.
      Mike

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      • #4
        Beautiful example of a DSM produced by the Verband Suhler Gewehrfabrikanten e.V. consortium in Suhl. The firm J.P. Sauer & Sohn purchased the barrel steel from Roechling, and the barrels were finished by a number of various barrel mechanics in Suhl (including the Kelber brothers, Rempt, Haenel, August Schüler, Franz Naumann, et al). Sauer also produced all of receivers for the consortium's DSMs, and you will find their "double S" mark on the underside, beneath the trigger mount. Gebrüder Rempt served as the lead firm, and C.G. Haenel was the assembly point and distribution point for these. The consortium also produced the first DSMs for Gustav Genschow, until GECO got their own production line in operation. Haenel also provided most of the stock sets for these, which often bear their "CGH" mark in the barrel channel. The stock and handguard are generally numbered to each other, but not matching the serial number of the rifle.

        The Waffenstadt Suhl DSMs exhibit some of the finest workmanship and finish of all those made by the various firms licensed by Mauser to produce them. It is a large bonus that you also have the muzzle cover/sight protector, as these were often separated and easily lost. Thanks for sharing the photos!

        Steve

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        • #5
          Will try once more to attach a sales flyer from this consortium which promotes their DSM.
          Steve
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          Last edited by Steve Whitley; 07-02-2018, 02:01 PM.

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          • #6
            Have sent you a private message. For anyone wanting more information on these, I still have a limited number of copies of the "bible" on training rifles which I will sell to members at a discount with free shipping, signed if desired. Message me if interested.
            Steve

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            • #7
              Some information which was not recorded in the book in detail, is that this consortium for the DSM production in Suhl was very much a "test run" for the following consortium production of firearms for the anticipated war effort. There is much history in this story, and it involves almost all of the German arms makers of the time.
              Steve

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              • #8
                I’m posting here a note of sincere gratuitous pleasure in thanking senior member Steve Whitley for allowing me to purchase the Bible of DSM training rifles from him.

                Steve
                Book received today in perfect order.
                What a total surprise it was to receive such a wonderfull publication. I had no idea of the magnificence of the book when we discussed it. I look forward to many hours of enjoyment reading and looking through this book.
                Unless you hold this book yourself you have no idea of the wealth and knowledge it beholds or the amount of time it must have taken to comprise.
                Thank you so much for the opportunity to acquire this book you so expertly and meticulously have authored.
                BKG

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                • #9
                  Sincere thanks for the very kind words!
                  Steve

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                  • #10
                    On another note. Anyone know of a source where I can obtain a stacking rod and a sling for my Suhl DSM. I also broke it down today for thorough cleaning and took a picture of a stamp on undersides of barrel and receiver. Pictured here. I haven’t been able to locate the marking in the book.
                    Looks like a combination of three letters, T,C and possibly a F in a oval configuration.
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                    • #11
                      Christoph Friedrich Triebel. Grosse Backstrasse 14, Suhl. Founded about 1800, existed until 1945. In the 1920s run by Richard Friedrich Triebel.

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                      • #12
                        Axel
                        Thank you so much. With that mark on the receiver and the barrel does that mean that’s the shop that assembled the gun?

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                        • #13
                          Triebel was another of many barrel mechanics who picked up some work and thus income from this consortium which produced the DSMs in Suhl. They would have finished the barrel and joined it to the receiver, but the final assembly and distribution point was at C. G. Haenel.
                          Note the index mark where they are joined, indicating proper "clocking" or rotation of barrel to receiver. This action's design has a non-concentric boring of the barrel, to align the bolt's firing pin with the cartridge rim, unlike a center-fire.
                          Steve

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