Selbstspanner-System Sauer

[Igor]

A new article Selbstspanner-System Sauer on www.shotguncollector.com

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Previous articles:

The well-known and unknown Merkel Bros. Part I. https://wp.me/p461yQ-1U3
The well-known and unknown Merkel Bros. Part II. https://wp.me/p461yQ-2dO
The well-known and unknown Merkel Bros. Part III. https://wp.me/p461yQ-2ga

The German "Purdey". https://wp.me/p461yQ-1YL

After the War. https://wp.me/p461yQ-1Lc

Production of hunting guns in Nazi Germany. https://wp.me/p461yQ-1H2

Simson & Co - Waffa - BSW - Gustloff Werke. https://wp.me/p461yQ-1xt

Otto Reif. https://wp.me/p461yQ-1u6

[chapmen]

It is always an awesome side.

[Igor]

Kersten`s breech actions https://wp.me/p461yQ-18k

[Jim Cate]

Regarding: A new article Selbstspanner-System Sauer on www.shotguncollector.com

That is known as the "Knock About" Model Sauer. Having very simple locks with cocking indicators.
Regards, Jim Cate

[Igor]

Dear Jim,"The knock-about gun" was Von Lengerke & Detmold and Abercrombie & Fitch tradenames of some shotguns and only. Francott for example https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...-a--knockabout https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/.../product_id/27 What do you mean "simple locks"? What is complicated lock as you think? Regards, Igor

[Jim Cate]

The Knock About model was the only known Sauer double-barrel shotgun that was not in their catalogs or mentioned in their flyers. It was sold in Europe as well as in the U.S. by several different retailers. Several are shown in my Sauer reference book as are the locks with their simple design. Regards, Jim

[Igor]

Dear Jim, did you see the links that are contained in my post? If you looked, then you have to admit that "The knock-about gun" was just a name of some shotguns in the US market and not the name of Sauer`s model only. This name except in Von Lengerke & Detmold and Abercrombie & Fitch I havn`t seen nowhere. Kind regards, Igor Karklinsh

[Jim Cate]

Have it your way......Thousands were sold in Europe. I have no intention of arguing with you regarding this matter. It is a particular Model or variation made by Sauer. Please get a copy of my Sauer reference book.

[Igor]

Jim, English is not my native language. Could be this is a reason? You wrote: That is known as the "Knock About" Model Sauer. I answered: "The knock-about gun" was Von Lengerke & Detmold (Abercrombie & Fitch) tradenames for US market of some shotguns . Not only Sauer, Francott also, for example. Where is the mistake? https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/.../product_id/27

[Axel E]

Here the discussion is about the Sauer & Sohn guns sold in the USA with the "Knock About" label well before WW1. It is not about the replacements made by others, sold later with the same label by the same importers. The S&S Knock abouts had simplifieed locks with fewer parts than a true sidelocks, hammers and mainsprings inside the Action, sears on the sideplates. Get a copy of Jim Cate's book "J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl - Waffenstadt" and look for the "simple locks" yourself.

[chapmen]

There is an little problem....... as far as i know it is out of stock.........looking an longer time for an copy, but not for the price where it is now.

[Igor]

Gentlemen, Mr. Cate wrote: That is known as the "Knock About" Model Sauer. Where is known? In Europe? No, only in US. Only in Von Lengerke & Detmold catalogues. Furthermore the "Knock About" label was on shotguns of other European manufacturers in US market also. The Selbstspanner-System Sauer had two types of sidelocks - with and without intercepting sear. There were no other "simple locks". Please find a time to read my article with Google Translate.
Kind regards,
Igor Karklinsh, historian, collector

[ellenbr]

You know Mr. Cate, I'm not sure why you have to be so nasty as we are all trying to learn here, even w/ Mr. Karklinsh offering an olive branch. From posts here it would appear that most Germans are without manners, i.e., their parents either didn't teach them any or they did not listen. You prefer a one sided conversation, so you can control the situation as you are a legend in your own mind, being the one & only authority. Now before you commence throwing electronic rocks, know this: 1. you better have plenty of ammo & 2. I do not hide behind an electronic screen & I will come to you & say to your face what I will say here. And you are only say 2 hours from my locale. You & Axel E. both border on cyber bulling while GGCA fosters it. Yes, Friar Fred I am referring to you. All know where to reach me......

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

[Axel E]

The Selbstspanner-System Sauer had two types of sidelocks - with and without intercepting sear. There were no other "simple locks".

Wrong, there were three. All were very similar outside. There were the two true sidelocks you describe, with and without intercepting sears. And there was a rare and peculiar lock with sideplates. Here the hammer and mainspring were mounted inside the action, similar to an Anson & Deeley type boxlock, wile the sear and it's spring was mounted on the sideplate. Viewed from the outside, such guns are easily mistaken as sidelocks, but they are in fact part boxlock and part sidelock.

[chapmen]

From posts here it would appear that most Germans are without manners, i.e., their parents either didn't teach them any or they did not listen.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Thanks for that- i just give it back.