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**Axel E** · 02-13-2018, 11:04 AM

Triebel is another frequent name in the German guntrade. Kellner & Pape list no less than 47 Triebels working one time or another in the trade. Some were gunmakers, some gunsmithes, others country gunshops. There were Triebels in Suhl, Zella-Mehlis, Augsburg, Neumuenster, Kaufbeuren and Berlin. Though there are family relations, more or less close, the businesses were independent of each other.This rifle was apparently made by the Christoph Friedrich Triebel company, Grosse Backstr. 14, Suhl, founded by C.F.T., by 1922 run by a Richard Friedrich Triebel, existed until 1945. Another better known Triebel was Albert Wilhelm Triebel, Schillingstr.8, Suhl. He specialized in making scope mounts, see "Waidmannsheil! # 55". As a side job, he was the "gun photographer to the Suhl guntrade" during the 1920s – 30s.
Today there are two Triebel companies c.i.b., afaik. One was founded by Rudi Triebel, Kaufbeuren, in 1948. In the 1960s Rudi designed a pivot scope mount, predecessor of today's EAW and Recknagel mounts. Later he specialized in making tools, reamers and gages for the trade. The company is now run by Juergen Triebel, see:
http://www.triebel-guntools.de/en/
Then there is the Berlin gunshop, founded in 1915 by Paul Thom. Thom's son in law Walter Triebel from Suhl took over in 1935, followed by Klaus Triebel in 1969. Today the shop is run by Katja and Kristian Triebel, see:
http://triebel-shop.com/index.php?language=en

**Devo1959** · 02-13-2018, 01:59 PM

Axel
Thank you very much for your informative response. My rifle does have a removable scope mount with makers name on it.
looks like it can be dated 1945 or before. I look forward to learning more.
Grateful,
Jeff

**Diz** · 02-13-2018, 02:14 PM

Devo1959,

I also have a Chr. Triebel in 5.6x61 and have been working with this caliber for thirty years. You can make cases out of 25-06 and the difficulty is getting bullets in the proper diameter. I suspect that the bullet loaded in your ammo is a Hornady 70 grain SP in .227" diameter and it is too fragile for deer at vH velocities. Heavier "H" mantel bullets like the Nosler can be bumped up to fit and work very well.

There are a couple of threads on the forum that contain more information if you want to check them out. I don't think you made a bad buy but then I rather like the odd calibers and they can be very accurate. I would like to see pictures if you could post them. Try to take the gun out of the wood and show all the markings as it will help with additional information. Best of luck with it.

Diz

**Devo1959** · 02-13-2018, 02:54 PM

Thanks Diz,
I actually purchased the rifle at Quinby's not too far from you. My brother lives in Pipersville. If you want to send me your email address email me at jeff@wattsun.com and I will send you some pictures. I need to slug the barrel and chamber cast I guess but have never done either. I then need to get dies made and try to learn how to bump up some bullets.
Thanks, Jeff

**Diz** · 02-13-2018, 04:14 PM

Devo, hard to believe someone lives this close with another vH! I tried the search function for the forum but it doesn't work so I went looking and here are a couple of my previous posts plus one from another vH owner in Texas. Mike also has a vH but it is the rimmed version. If you care to check here are the posts:

"Another vom Hofe" at the bottom of page 5

"5.6 vH Update by wernerhelm about the middle of page 7

"Gehmann-Konstanz 5.6x61 vom Hofe" at the bottom of page 10
Pretty much all I know and most others on this forum, about the vH is on this one.

I did send you a mail to your address and hope we can get together. Thanks, Diz

**mike ford** · 02-13-2018, 09:09 PM

Devo,
You didn't say what "brand" your cases are or if they are original cases. If they are original factory cases, they may be Berdan primed. If so, you can still load them, but just cant use the deprimer in normal dies. You didn't say whether you have fired the rifle and checked velocity and group size. My experience with the 70 grain Hornady bullets indicates they are satisfactory( in my rifle) as long as the velocity is kept down to 3000 fps or less. BTW having 120 already formed cases is a blessing.
Mike

**Devo1959** · 02-13-2018, 09:37 PM

Hi Mike
They were loaded in 2003 by Superior Ammunition W. Gehmann Brass and 120 are loaded with the 70 Hornady. I am calling them now to see if they can help.
Thanks, Jeff

**mike ford** · 02-14-2018, 12:09 AM

Devo,
That brass is very hard to find and very good to have, take care of it. Depending on when it was made and by which major ammunition company ( the brass could very well predate 2003), it may be boxer primed. If so you are lucky, but if not, all is not lost. If you look into a fired case(with flashlight) and see one hole, it is boxer primed; if two holes, Berdan primed. I suggest you shoot it for group before worrying about it, it may be fine.
Mike

**Kiwi_bloke** · 02-14-2018, 08:52 AM

Hi Devo
You may find this interesting. It is a Belgium website called Littlegun that has on show a Christian Friedrich Triebel Mauser 98 rifle in 5,6x61 Super Express vom Hofe. The information states the firm began in 1800 and was still trading in the early 1940's. CFT seems to have made a specialty of the vom Hofe line of cartridges.

http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20all...drich%20gb.htm

I'm hoping you are wrong about it perhaps being a bad buy. I have 2 like it, though by different makers. Since you have perhaps roped in by now the other vom Hofe owners to your post, I wonder if anyone reading this has a copy of Handloader, issue 24, "Loading the Exotics", March-April 1970 by B.R. Hughes, page 14 onward. This includes an IMR 4350 load for a 70 grain Sisk bullet in this calibre, but I do not have the grain weight to load, nor the text comments that go with this.

Devo, you will find a useful backorder copy of Rifle to get from Wolfe Publishing, (perhaps on CD-Rom), is Issue 13, January 1971. In this (then editor?) Al Miller loads for and describes a Triebel rifle in that calibre. Not so long ago the same identical rifle, (i.e. Miller's one), was for offered for sale and was subject to another published article by the new owner.

BTW, if you fire a round, and shine a "flashlight" down it, (is that what you guys call a torch!), you may only see one primer hole, but it could still be a Berdan case. It can often happen than burnt powder blocks the other hole. If it is off centre and perhaps smaller than expected, suspect this has happened.

**Kiwi_bloke** · 02-14-2018, 08:54 AM

"Two like it", meaning 2 of the same calibre. (Plus a Drilling in the rimmed version, 5,6x61R SEvH, due back from the gunsmith in the next few weeks so I can finally shoot it).

**Devo1959** · 02-14-2018, 12:37 PM

Hi Mike and Kiwi

I torched it and it is boxer primed. Kiwi thanks for that information, I will look for a copy of handloader 24, and rifle 13,Jan 1971. I am going to try and post pics of the gun but not sure how to do that yet.
I am moving some photos to a host.
Jeff

**Devo1959** · 02-14-2018, 12:57 PM

Well lets see if my phone pics load
https://ibb.co/m8GYJ7
https://ibb.co/hunZQn
https://ibb.co/iqq2d7
https://ibb.co/hc0XBS
https://ibb.co/n96YJ7
Jeff

**R. Marshall** · 02-14-2018, 01:13 PM

That is a Beautiful rifle, thanks for posting pictures and causing me to want one.

**Diz** · 02-14-2018, 01:18 PM

Jeff & Kiwi,

Great looking rifle and some very nice wood. Should be a great shooter as well. Those cases are worth their weight in gold too.

I ran IMR-4350 with the Hornady 70 grain since I don't have the Sisk listed and came up with the following computed loading using a 24" barrel:

IMR-4350 = 49.7 grains
Fill = 85.6%
Pmax = 54,495 psi (note: near maximum - one tenth grain sends it over)
Vel = 3400 fps
Burn = 98.9%
Eff = 20.2%

As noted it is calculated at very near the top pressure wise so use your own discretion.

Thanks, Diz

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