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Just posting some eye candy. Here is my Schilling Model 88. I think I have the name correct but feel free to correct me.
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w10085,
Yes Schilling is well known for having done fine work. This is a nice rifle, we might be able to tell you more about it, if you post photos of all the proof marks.
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Oh good grief...what a gorgeous rifle!! One of these days I am going to own one like that, without the recoil pad....I hope.Comment
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The recoil pad was why I was able to get it for $250!Originally posted by sharps4590 View PostComment
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Here are the proofs. 2.67 9 GRP / St m.G. My prior research lead me to believe it was made just prior to the turn of the century but I would love to know more.Comment
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$250.00!!!!!!! If the bore is decent you did VERY well!!!! Good on you!!!!! Would you like to double your money?.......
, (does the seller have another for sale in such shabby condition.....)
Dismantle the rifle, there should be more proof marks on the bottom of the barrel just in front of the receiver. The visible marks are just the load with which the rifle was proofed.Comment
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w10085,
You should be able to find a plain horn butt plate. If necessary for length of pull, I believe they are available in different thicknesses.
Mike.Comment
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I would look at it this way: It is a beautiful rifle, obtained at a huge bargain of a price, and a work of art as well as a piece of history. Whoever put the Pachmayer pad on it doubtless did so because he loved it and USED it, and that is a part of its history. Congratulations, and thanks for sharing the photos. Should you have it out of the wood later, please post any other marks seen for the benefit of researchers. Might add here that the "Krupp Steel" suggests it was going for export.
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V.C.Schilling, Suhl, was founded by Valentin Christian Schilling in 1816. They became one of the larger Suhl gunmakers, making M71 miltary rifles and carbines, M79 Reichsrevolver. From 1889 to 1891 they and Haenel made 200 000 M88 carbines for the Prussian army and many more later for export. They also made pistols for Bergmann. But with the adoption of the M98 Mauser domestic military orders ended and V.C.S. was on the way downhill. 1904 – 1913 the company was owned by Albert, Moritz and Walter Schilling. The factory was sold to Sempert & Krieghoff in 1914. The remains of the company were sold in 1919.
Here are some photos of my less elaborate pre-1912 V.C.S. M88 action sporter in 8x57I with a period Voigtlaender, Brunswik, "Skopar B" 2 1/2x scope on claw mounts.
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Another nice looking rifle from Axel!!!
OK, not to hijack the thread but I have a question or two abuot the 88. I have seen a few for sale and some appear to have the bottom piece of the magazine missing. What's up with that? Another Q is do they require a stripper clip to function? Seems I've read they are loaded with a stripper clip and when empty the clip falls out the bottom. Is that correct?Comment
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Mine at the top of the post requires a clip which falls out the bottom on the last shot.Comment
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Sharps4570,
The original Mod 88, used an "Enbloc" clip, similar to the M1 Garand. or very much like the Carcano on Berthier. When the last shot was fired, the empty clip fell out of the rifle, through a hole in the bottom. The enbloc clips contained 8x57I ammo. When the 8x57IS was adopted, the old rifles that had been chambered for 8x57I ( both Mod 98 and 88) were checked and had modifications necessary to use 8x57IS ammo performed. This was in 1905, but was applicable to German( Prussian) military rifles, not necessarily those of other nations and not civilian rifles. There were a couple different modifications over the years, including adding the slotted "lugs" on the receiver bridge of 88s to use 8x57IS ammo, loaded in Mod 98 stripper clips. On these rifles , the hole, through which the enbloc clip fell, was no longer required and became a liability in muddy WW1 trenches. They were therefore closed off by a sheet metal device. Resulting from this, some Mod 88s have a hole in the bottom and some don't. I'm sure Axel can provide more specifics and dates.
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The rechambering from 8x57 I = Patrone 88 to 8x57 IS applied to the military M88 rifles and carbines only. The 8x57 I, .318" bullet, remained the civilian standard up to WW2.
The magzine conversion to use Mauser 98 stripper clips was done to military rifles only.
Sporting rifles used the Mannlicher patent en bloc clips all the time. Just like the M1 Garand, the magazine does not work without these clips. Military ammo was issued loaded in the clips, which were thought to be disposable in war. But in civilian use the empty clips falling out of the hole in the magazine and getting lost in snow or grass were a damn nuisance. So on higher grade sporters like 10085's, not on mine, the Suhl gunmakers added a spring-loaded cover that retained the clip until opened at will or by pushing in another, loaded clip in from the top.
The photo shows two such M88 en bloc clips. The left one is an original, loaded with M88 cartridges with 227 gr rn fmj bullets. The one on the right is a reproduction from Numrich with more recent Norma 8x57 I loads, 196 gr rn soft points. Just a hint: Those modern repro clips come with a flange too pronounced at the front end (the bullet of the single M88 cartridge points to this flange). In most rifles this clamps the cartridges and blocks function. So this flange must be reduced for proper function. I have done this by inserting a piece of steel inside the clip and hammering the flanges flatter.
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Here are pictures of the proofs on the bottom of the barrel for the first gun in the thread. Interesting that it appears to have two sets of serial numbers on the bottom of both the barrel and receiver.Comment
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Mike, Axel, w100, thank you for the explanations, they are appreciated.Comment
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