O&U Germany shotgun without triggers

[Axel E]

T.G.Bennett was the president of the WRACo 1890 - 1910.

[algmule]

Hello

Related, semi-related or perhaps not related at all, or even plain annoying. Here are the patents that the ravenous Internet ate, mentioned in an above post.

Edwin Mackinnon Liebert, Düsseldorf
D.R.P. 125932 “Daumenabzug für Handfeuerwaffen Patentirt im Deutschen Reiche vom 29. Mai 1900 ab.”
AT (Austrian) 8310 “Abzugvorrichtung für Handfeuerwaffen Angemeldet am 4. Juni 1900. Beginn der Patentdauer: 15. Februar 1902.” This is for the same invention as in the above German Patent. The patent claim mentions Daumenabzug.
US 719, 019 “Trigger mechanism for firearms Application filed June 28, 1900 Patented Jan. 27, 1903.” Same as the above two patents.

James West und Henry Joseph Wilberforce Raphael, London
D.R.P. 98224 “Sicherung für Cylinder-Verschluss-Gewehre mit Daumenabzug. Patentirt im Deutschen Reiche vom 5. Dezember 1897 ab.”

Hendrik-Gustavus Koster Willemzoon und John Dirk van Egmond, Amsterdam
CH (Swiss) 11852 ”Mit dem Daumen zu bethätigende Abdrückvorrichtung für Handfeuerwaffen, 5. März 1896, 6 Uhr, p.”
D.R.P. 90431 Daumenabzug für Gewehre, Pistolen u. dgl. Patentirt im Deutschen Reiche vom 7. März 1896 ab.” Same as above Swiss patent.
I can’t find an Austrian patent but there seems to have existed one as there is a “Privilegien-Verlängerung” in 1898 on it and it’s mentioned as a “getretene” Patent in 1899.

I did find four patents related to another thing-a-ma-jig but the idea behind them was a bit weird (er than the above patents) so I gave in understanding that idea. That invention was from the period 1915-17. Not that I entirely, if at all, have understood any of the above patents. It would seem that getting rid of the triggers and triggerguard was all the rage around 1900. It’s interesting that Martin jr. chose to use a gun with Drückknopfabzug in a contest as late as 1926 (and why wouldn't he). Perhaps the idea wasn’t that bad, or, it may have come down to sheer bloody mindedness on his part. And as Marat’s gun shows, someone for sure wanted it on an over and under in 1938.

Also: does anybody know anything on a Fritz Schirmacher, Görlitz? He may or may not have had a patent on a trigger mechanism involving a "clockwork mechanism"(?) in the stock and there may have been some sort of Knopf(e) involved as well. Also again: I have a mentioning of the Daumenabzug having been used on Martini-Henry rifles. Does someone know anything of such an idea?

EDIT: found Schirmacher. His invention has trigger and trigger guard. D.R.P. 36951. Sorry for going off-topic https://www.delcampe.fr/fr/collectio...286551000.html

Kind regards
Peter

[algmule]

Hello

Anyone aware of a publication on Carl Colbert, Wien? Apparently both Joseph Tambour, Wien, and Franz Neuber, Wiener-Neustadt, were in cahoot with Colbert on several patents. The Colbert patent in the thread has both Tambour's and Neuber's name on it.

Also: is there a French-speaking member around. Need help translating a French patent from 1930. It's on a contraption without conventional triggers and trigger guard. You may need to be a technical whiz-kid. I'm not.

Peter