New member from Iowa

[Volksman]

Hi, my name is Jeff and I have 2 German guns that led me here. An Ortgies .32acp and a Remo II 16 ga. Hopefully I am able to learn a thing or two while here.

[ellenbr]

Pleasure us with some images of the REMO II as that might just pique Peter's interest.

Cheers,

Raimey
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[mike ford]

Jeff,
Welcome, happy to have you with us.
Mike

[Volksman]

Here it is
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You can see it is missing the bolt stop and the piece below it. If anyone knows where I can find replacements I'd sure be happy.
I got the gun from my mother after my father passed away. It was in a closet in the garage with a box of 2 3/4 inch 16 gauge shells. I did some research before firing it and got some 2 1/2 inch shells from Polywad and have shot about a dozen or so through it.
My dad used it for duck hunting but I never asked him where he got it. His brother told me he bought it at a pawn shop.

[algmule]

Hello
First of all, thanks to Raimey and Ford for welcoming me to the forum.

Jeff
Would you please lift it out of the stock and check what markings there are underneath the stock. Your Remo is converted after Gebrüder Rempt´s DRP 328446 except for the welded shell guide/shell stop/shell deflector. There seems to be some kind of stock bolt right trough the stock above the trigger guard. I haven´t seen this feature on any Remo conversion before. The "piece below" the bolt stop is to do with the magazine feeding.

A while ago I saw parts for Remo conversions for sale on e-bay.

By the way, Jeff. Welcome to the forum.

Kind regards
Peter

[Volksman]

Here are some pictures of the area where the stock bolt is. It looks like it may be from a repair as it looks like there is some glue inside.
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[Volksman]

...and if your interested here are some shots of the barrel markings.
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[Axel E]

Sorry, but I have no idea where to find such a spare part. Remo shotguns were never really popular here in Germany. Additionally, in 1945 such cheap guns were the first to be surrendered to the allied forces for destruction. Alas, as a registered hunter, known as such in the neighbourhood, you had to surrender at least some guns. So such cheapees had to go first, while the better guns like drillings might be hidden away to wait for better times.
The parts you are missing is a slghtly modified standard M98 bolt stop, without ejector, and a coil spring powered slide, Fig.7 in the patent drawing, held by 2 small screws to the bolt stop. An arm of this slide projects into the path of the bolt head. At the end of rearward travel the bolt pulls back this slide a short distance against it's coil spring. The slide in turn pulls back the top end of the L-shaped follower retainer on left side of mag, releasing the magazine follower to carry the second cartridge up.
Here are 2 photos of the left side of Remo II #45. Sorry, but I cannot take better photos of the missing parts right now, as the gun is residing in Flintenkalle's collection, 130 miles away.

[Axel E]

Bad luck posting photos!

[Volksman]

Axel, thanks for the info and the pictures. It's odd that the Remo has this set up and the Gehas do not. At first I thought someone cut out an extra section of the stock to be able to activate the magazine follower release with their finger, which is how I activate it now.

[Axel E]

The Remo and the Geha are based on completely different patents! The Geha action has a side-swinging plate that holds the cartridge inside the magazine, while in the Remo the follower is held in the down position.

[Axel E]

The Remo was patented by the Rempt brothers, DRPatent # 328446 of 1919. The Geha conversion was patented by Emil Hengelhaupt DRP # 337013 of 1920. Get a copy of "Waidmannsheil # 47".
Here is a photo of a Geha action:

[algmule]

Jeff
Is the digit on the receiver ring 5? Sorry, can´t see in your pic. I too have a "Remo II Cal. 16 D.R.P.a. Rw.E.". Serial number on my Remo is 1606. On the receiver ring on my conversion there´s only the digit 5. On your conversion there is also what to me looks like an "eagle" and one other marking. I have another conversion after Gebrüder Rempt´s patent and with the welded shell guide, but on the receiver ring of that one there´s Pieper´s "Mounted Knight".

Kind regards
Peter

[Volksman]

Axel, thanks again for the info, I'll have to get a copy of "Waidmannsheil #47." I saw that it is listed for sale on this site.

Peter, here is a close up of the receiver
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I didn't notice it looked like an eagle until I looked at the close up. There is something else above the eagle and what looks like a 9 above to the left. Then there are the three marks to the right of the eagle.
I don't know what any of that means.

[Axel E]

Eagle, crown/S and crown/U are the then German civilian proof marks.
The Pieper "Bayard" mark under the other receiver ring shows it is a left-over receiver from the WW1 decentralized Gew98 military rifle production. The Suhl gunmakers could never make their own Mauser 98 receivers, as they did not have the special machines to broach the rails, stopping at the inside collar. The making of 98 receivers was the production bottleneck in both World Wars until 1944. In WW1 the Suhl gunmakers Sauer & Sohn, Simson, Haenel dependet on receivers made by others, mostly the government arsenals Erfurt and Danzig. But many Receivers were made and marked by other companies having the necessary equipment, like Pieper and FN in German occupied Belgium. So Bayard marked receivers are found not only on Gewehr 98 military rifles, but on many 1920s Suhl made sporting rifles as well as Remo shotguns.