Flobert-Remington system Salon pistol

[Craig Havener]

I am trying to identify more information on this salon pistol, the only markings are ELG in and oval, R with a star above, and JBR with a crown above.
Any help is appreciated. Raimey will be posting pics this evening.
Best,
Craig Havener

[Axel E]

Your pistol was made in Liege, Belgium. JBR (several different shapes known, most of them with a crown above or surrounded by the letters, one of them with crossed swords, crown above and letters around looks -intentionally?- much like a Birmingham proof mark at first glance) was the trademark of Jean Baptiste Ronge fils S.A. (S.B.R. sons plc), place St. Jean 4, Liege, claimed "founded 1789", documented 1832 -1929. From 1894 to 1897 the company had these trademarks registered: TRIOMPHE - THE WINNER - IMPERATOR - DETECTIVE - CENTENIAL USA - THE SIMPLEX - THE POLICEMAN - THE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD - GENERAL FIRE MANUFACTORY AUTOMATIC EXTRACTOR REVOLVER PATEND 86 !! Apparently a supplier of "saturday night specials".

[Craig Havener]

Thanks for your input, this pistol does not strike me as a "saturday night special"

Best,
Craig

[ellenbr]

Kind Regards

Raimey
rse

[ellenbr]

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

[ellenbr]

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

[Axel E]

Sorry Craig, but these guns were cheap. Such guns with "Warnant" or "Remington" actions were mass produced by the Liege cottage industry both as pistols and -more often- as rifles and garden guns. If you look through the 1908 AKAH catalog -reprint available from the GGCA bookstore- you will find such pistols "with checkered/carved walnut sstock and engraved furniture" listed at Mark 23.-, as rifle or garden gun M 15.- to 26.50. OK, the cheapest open-frame .22 revolvers started at 5.90, but a Browning .25 ACP pistol was M 36.-, a Winchester 94 carbine M 84.-, a Mauser, Oberndorf type B sporter started at M 140.- and underlever hammer drillings from M 150.-.

[Craig Havener]

Finally found the post!! Thanks Axel, you are a great source of data! I have taken the pistol apart, he may have been a maker of a lot of cheap guns, but I wish we could get some of the quality hand work I see, in more of the guns being made today.
Best,
Craig

[Craig Havener]

The rifling is very good, and it measures a 1 in 9 twist, I am thinking I will try some of the subsonic 22 shorts with the 60 grain lead slug. Anyone think that will be a problem, the action looks plenty strong.
Best,
Craig

[mike ford]

Craig,
Rather than the 60 gr., I would think short CB caps would be better; if BB caps were avaliable, I would use them. CCI makes CB caps in both short and long cases.
Mike

[Craig Havener]

Already have some on order, just got 8 inches of snow, so shooting will have to wait.Thanks to everyone for their input and help!
Best,
Craig

[Axel E]

These guns, both pistols and rifles, were marked "6mm Flobert" not for lack of strength, but for legal reasons: Single shot guns with a rifled barrel of at least 8" length in 6mm Flobert were not rated as "firearms" but as mere toys. The could be bought, carried and used free of any licence. Even a ".22 short" was a firearm! Most of these "6 mm Flobert" guns were chambered quite generously, so most of them swallowed even the obsolete .22 extra long cartridges. As you are free of these legal limits I would not hesitate to use this pistol with any .22 lr cartridge availble or even rechamber it to take these. These actions of the same size and dimensinsions are also found chambered for the 9.1x40R cartridge, then smooth bored for the same legal reasons, but proofed for the rifle load. They were also availble as 24 bore shotguns, popular in France and Belgium.