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    I bought this gun with the intent to do some bird hunting after having a gunsmith check it out and even test fire the gun with some Kent Gamebore 2.5" shells. So far it seems that the gun could have been imported by Schoverlings, Daly & Gayles around 1907-09 as shown in Jim Cate's book and from S/N's. The barrels are choked mod/full, have some minor pits, locks up tight, have 65mm chambers and overall there are no visible defects. My real interest is in the markings and proofs on the gun. There is the crown "S", what looks to be (2) crown "U"s, the cavemen and S/N: 122980 all of which I've come to understand myself. I'm wondering if the "39" might be the year of manufacture (March 1909) and whether the "N" on the barrels may be a Nitro proof mark. There is also a "W" on the barrels and an"H" near the S/N on the barrel lug.
    At first I was going to have the chambers and forcing cones extended and a Briley thinwall choke system installed but I'm rethinking that one. The chokes would be really useful but I've heard too many negative things about removing metal. I know from reading this forum there are two different schools of thought which is the reason for the gunsmith. Plus I've found 3 different sources for 2.5" shells which should keep me shooting for a long time. Thanks for everyone who replies to help me!
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    rpopovich,
    39 is not for Mar. 09, that would be 309; except Suhl didn't start dating them until later( 1923 I think).
    Mike

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    • #3
      Mike, I read something about a "ledger system" that they used at some point, could the "39" be related to that? I'm wondering what Jim Cate would have to say about my suggestion of date as it relates to the S/N. Can you advise how to post more pics here or should I start a "new member" new post. I have some pictures of the action and wood. Right now the gun is at the gunsmith and they're supposed to test fire it and clean the action then we'll see how the barrels pattern.

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      • #4
        rpopovich,
        Suhl didn't use a ledger number in proof marks, although I guess they would have kept one for their records.Zella-Mehlis stamped the ones they dated, with a ledger number. This is one of the ways to tell which proofhouse a gun came from. As far as I know they didn't stamp a ledger number w/o a date. Thanks to Axel for this onfo. I'm at a loss for posting photos, but I'm sure Raimey can help.
        Mike

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        • #5
          Hi! Only the production information ledgers were numbered that were kept inside of Sauer's facilities. The ones that exist today are in the basement of the Suhl Archive. I don't have an answer for the 39 N. I wish I did because that might help explain the 68 C found on 128801's barrels under the serial number that is probably the same model Sauer shotgun that you own. I think your gun is probably an earlier Model 8 having a Doll'shead, but without the Greener crossbolt that was made before 1912. I wouldn't do anything to it except take it hunting! Regards, JIM

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          • #6
            I really appreciate everyone's input here especially Jim that posted. When the gun comes back I'll post the other pictures along with the gunsmith's eval.
            Rob

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