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New member and some details of my 2 German firearms.
Hello all.
I have 2 guns I inherited from my father which i used to shoot when I was younger and then they languished in storage for 20 odd years after he died until handed over to me in the 90's. I have used them since and thought I had better find out more about them.
I am not sure if he did acquire at least the shotgun in Europe around WW2, but he did work in security and intelligence was of French parentage and did complain of long trips (24hours+) travelling in a superfortress type aircraft on oxygen, coffee in a thermos and sandwiches in the mid 40's from the Antipodies. I will post some photo's of the shotgun latter if people are interested.
One is a WISCHO 22 cal single shot bolt action with half-moon ejector which I still have to strip down and get a good look at the proof marks.
The other is a 12 Gauge Double barrel hammerless shotgun for which I have done some research and it is definately pre-WW2, at least proofed in 1939!
On the underneath of the receiver and running across is a "G"(German style). Under the "G" is written GUSTLOFF-WERKE. Under that is Waffenwerk Suhl.
The proof marks on the underside of the barrels at the breech are the same on the left barrel and on the right barrel and consist of (From top to bottom, L/R):
Eagle with N in body Crowned W (Choked Barrel)
Suhl on sideway shield (Proof House)
Crowned U
13/1 12 inside circle (12 gauge calibre)
70mm (Cartridge/chamber length)
Eagle with shield in body and arch on top of wings Nitro (Nitro Proof mark)
with the proof date of “1239” (December 1939) on the Left barrel breech flat only.
Each barrel also has a small Eagle with N in body and Crowned S (Smoothbore Proof) stamped across with the initials BSW (Meaning”Berlin Suhler Waffen- und Fahrzeugwerke”) laterally down the barrel below the stamps, these are concealed by the forearm. Running down the top of each barrel top near the breach is “Fluss Stahl Krupp Essen”.
The proof marks on the action's watertable are on the right side:
Eagle with N in body
Crowned U BSW
With BSW also stamped on the left side of the watertable in the same location as the right along with the serial number.
The shotgun is engraved with waterfowl, bullrushes and game and has double triggers within a horn trigger guard (Cracked between guard and rear fixing screw which I need to repair.) and walnut (I think) woodwork. Both barrels are choked. And has a tang safety behind the top lever. Each breach also has a “Loaded” pin that protrudes on the rear of each breach curve to show if chamber is loaded by touch and sight. It also came in and is still stored in, a khaki coloured oiled 2 compartment canvas field bag with leather barrel protector, handle and straps with a side pocket. There is a timber and brass ferrule 2 piece cleaning rod held in the main body of the bag with the stock and action and brushes (1 steel brush and pull through holder) kept in the Brown press stud closed side pocket.
I also have his old 1906 winchester pump 22 which he used in the depression to supplement the family table with rabbits.
Cheers all, Sam.
I have 2 guns I inherited from my father which i used to shoot when I was younger and then they languished in storage for 20 odd years after he died until handed over to me in the 90's. I have used them since and thought I had better find out more about them.
I am not sure if he did acquire at least the shotgun in Europe around WW2, but he did work in security and intelligence was of French parentage and did complain of long trips (24hours+) travelling in a superfortress type aircraft on oxygen, coffee in a thermos and sandwiches in the mid 40's from the Antipodies. I will post some photo's of the shotgun latter if people are interested.
One is a WISCHO 22 cal single shot bolt action with half-moon ejector which I still have to strip down and get a good look at the proof marks.
The other is a 12 Gauge Double barrel hammerless shotgun for which I have done some research and it is definately pre-WW2, at least proofed in 1939!
On the underneath of the receiver and running across is a "G"(German style). Under the "G" is written GUSTLOFF-WERKE. Under that is Waffenwerk Suhl.
The proof marks on the underside of the barrels at the breech are the same on the left barrel and on the right barrel and consist of (From top to bottom, L/R):
Eagle with N in body Crowned W (Choked Barrel)
Suhl on sideway shield (Proof House)
Crowned U
13/1 12 inside circle (12 gauge calibre)
70mm (Cartridge/chamber length)
Eagle with shield in body and arch on top of wings Nitro (Nitro Proof mark)
with the proof date of “1239” (December 1939) on the Left barrel breech flat only.
Each barrel also has a small Eagle with N in body and Crowned S (Smoothbore Proof) stamped across with the initials BSW (Meaning”Berlin Suhler Waffen- und Fahrzeugwerke”) laterally down the barrel below the stamps, these are concealed by the forearm. Running down the top of each barrel top near the breach is “Fluss Stahl Krupp Essen”.
The proof marks on the action's watertable are on the right side:
Eagle with N in body
Crowned U BSW
With BSW also stamped on the left side of the watertable in the same location as the right along with the serial number.
The shotgun is engraved with waterfowl, bullrushes and game and has double triggers within a horn trigger guard (Cracked between guard and rear fixing screw which I need to repair.) and walnut (I think) woodwork. Both barrels are choked. And has a tang safety behind the top lever. Each breach also has a “Loaded” pin that protrudes on the rear of each breach curve to show if chamber is loaded by touch and sight. It also came in and is still stored in, a khaki coloured oiled 2 compartment canvas field bag with leather barrel protector, handle and straps with a side pocket. There is a timber and brass ferrule 2 piece cleaning rod held in the main body of the bag with the stock and action and brushes (1 steel brush and pull through holder) kept in the Brown press stud closed side pocket.
I also have his old 1906 winchester pump 22 which he used in the depression to supplement the family table with rabbits.
Cheers all, Sam.
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