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Hello, I have just received my registration this morning and would like to ask a few questions about some rifles I have. I have asked around but have limited knowledge of these rifles. I will keep them separate as to mitigate my own confusion. The first one I will present is a Mannlicher Schoenauer looking action, but not a rotary magazine. I will leave it at that and let the pictures explain the rest. Thank you for having me on your forum.
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another picture. I have a lot of pictures, but I am unable to figure out how to load more than one at a time. Every piece of this rifle is marked 501. Reading through the opening page of this site, the example of 513 is given as to the date mark, May 1913. Would it be that the marking of 501 on this rifle would be a date stamp of May 1901?Comment
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That's not a Mannlicher, but a Haenel model 1909, grade NR.6 (round barrel, double set triggers, stock with side panels).
The cocking piece rear sight and the ventilated recoil pad are post-WW2 American additions. Both the C.G. Haenel company in Suhl and the Steyr factory in Austria had made many M88 Commission Military rifles for the German army in the 1890s. That rifle combined Louis Schlegelmilch's turnbolt action with Mannlicher's en-bloc clip magazine. Haenel made many sporting rifles too on the 88 action. By 1900 the protuding Mannlicher magazine was not competitive any more, as the flush, staggered column Mauser magazine was state of art. Neither Steyr nor Haenel could use Mauser's magazine with the W-shaped fllower spring, as the patents were still valid. So Steyr combined Schlegelmilch's turnbolt with Schoenauer's rotary magazine and called the thing Mannlicher – Schoenauer. Haenel essentially combined the same turnbolt with their own patented magazine, using that intricate leverwork follower. An earlier Haenel M1900 action was slightly improved in 1909. These rifles were made from 1909 to 1915 only. As they could not compete with the more popular Mauser and Mannlicher-Schoenauer offerings, they are quite rare now.Last edited by Axel E; 02-09-2019, 07:46 PM.Comment
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I was partly right. Axel, am I understanding you correctly in that the rifle is an 88 that Haenel built as a sporter? Would it be an action he built for the army that they didn't take and he simply used them for sporting rifles? I am assuredly not very knowledgeable about the 88.Comment
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Wow, That is incredible! Thank you! That would mean the stamping of 501 has nothing to do with the date. Any ideas of what else it could signify? It is also stamped 7,8mm on the barrel and 2,75gG.B.P. over S.G. on the receiver. Would this be the caliber?Comment
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Photo of barrel stampComment
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Can you also answer why the 3 in this stamp is upside down?Comment
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If you would like more photos of this rifle, let me know. I have a lot. I have photos of every marking and can take specific photos if needed. Thank you very much.Comment
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SMA,
The 501 on the small part is not the date, rather it is the last 3 digits of the serial number, which serves to id parts original to the rifle. The 3 was stamped upside down, by mistake; I have made the same mistake when stamping the caliber on a new replacement barrel. The 7.8 is the bore(not groove or bullet) diameter, as measured at the proof house. The 2.75g GBP is the proof load, in this case : 2.75 grams "Rifle Flake Powder"( Gewehr Blattchen Pulver). The SG is the bullet that goes with the proof load, but I'm not entirely sure what S.G. stands for, Steel jacketed bullet , would be St.M.G.(Stahl Mantel Gechoss), maybe Special Bullet (Spezial or Sonder Geshoss), I'm sure Axel will know.
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sharps4590,
Vic, this rifle is not an M88 Haenel built as a sporter. They did build many M88 sporters, but they had the typical M88 Magazine, that used the enbloc clip. This rifle is an improvement of the M88 action, it is a model 1909.
MikeComment
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Well That is interesting. Thank you. Everything then matches on this rifle.Comment
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